To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

[AngeloMysterioso]

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

That pharmacist should've been reported imo.

The rest of your post, am not sure why relevant to the abortion as a regular method of birth control costs? If your pregnant, giving birth or poorly and needing NHS help that's what it's there for isn't it?

And she had not long before given birth to a stillborn child in the full glare of the tabloid media (in her autobiography she describes how journalists were calling her as the dying baby was stuck in the birth canal), immeditely after that she had two children in quick succession (one of who was extremely ill at birth) and then had to write, record and tour an album, away from her kids, in order to stop her house being sold to pay the taxman (and then had to sell the house anyway). I mean, apart from anything else, judging her by the same standards as you judge someone not living in that spotlight of fame and trauma is a bit silly and simplistic.

Fame and fortune is dancing with the devil am afraid. Can't control it so it only applies where you want it. Saying that, tabloid media is disgusting.

imho, this is a marketing strategy: she sees Taylor Swift's success on the back of the same lyric-driven music focused mostly on dissing her exes and the pound sign dings!

Who's 'we'?

Lots of people, if not you or LA, think abortion is the killing of a baby and wrong and therefore find doing it lots and laughing about it is gross.

If she didn't want to be judged on this she shouldn't talk about something so emotive to many people so publically and then complan they judge you.

It's incredible how some people just presume everyone must agree with them and thier lifestyle and are so suprised when they find this is not the case.

Lots of people also think cheating on your chldren's father with sex workers then having more choatic relationships which breakdown and where you publically talk about your wapred sex life is a damagig and emotionbally abusive way to bring up your children and makes you a shit parent and not the victim in this scenario.

'We' don't all think the same.

I’ve always detested Keith Allen. What a cunt.

To me, Lily comes across as a bit grubby, not very intelligent but streetwise, witty and funny. I like her music and lyrics, she is not a great singer but her tunes are cute and catchy and her lyrics stunningly down to earth and, erm frank, always make me laugh in disbelieve at what she is saying. I think she has some really good songs.

I could never understand why she is always with these tall older looking guys, all of her partners looked really strange next to her. Always made me think she is after a daddy figure. I don't follow her in any way and have no idea what she said on whatever podcast, and I have no interest in it tbh. I would imagine she talks a lot of rubbish as she is not exactly Brains of Britain.

Re her new album - will definitely have a listen, good on her!

What?! It's an awful medical procedure that's unnecessary if you are a responsible adult and use birth control!
There's a cost to your body and to the NHS, though I suppose Lily wouldn't consider that.

Sure. However, she was very young, around 20, when she became famous, and I think that most of us are not making our best decisions at that point in our lives.

I went through a phase of binging on her podcast. She's pretty open that she has serious daddy issues.

I find it incredibly sad and to be honest, disturbing.

Christ, the pearl-clutching and judgement on this thread! I’ve listened to the album twice now and think it’s a masterpiece. Each to their own.

She's awful, but you have to admire that she doesn't attempt to conceal it! I've just listened and I have to say I think it's very very good 😳

I enjoyed all her previous albums and sure will enjoy this one.

No, true, 20 is still fairly young. How old was she when she wrote her book, told us about the amount of abortions, showed the cameras around her home etc?

There are famous actors etc with children who keep them and theirselves out of the limelight as much as possible and don't talk about private lives. Seems to be a lot of famous people with minimum talent seem to think that any column inches is better than none and then they cannot complain if the press interest/intrusion becomes uncomfortable imo.

I suppose, given that she rose to prominence on Myspace, she could be an interesting case study on the impact of social media on the blurring of public and private. There have always been confessional songwriters, but I think she goes beyond that. I'm also not a great fan of the idea that 'telling like it is' or 'being brutally honest' are necessarily strengths.

We have very diffrent views of good parenting then.

Emotionally screwed up artists leading chaotic lives rarely make good parents.
They may make good art, but they hurt their children.

Lily Allen doesn't even make good art. She's just hurting her children.

and then had to write, record and tour an album, away from her kids, in order to stop her house being sold to pay the taxman

Well, yes. We all have to pay our taxes. How does that become part of the hard luck story? If she'd paid her taxes, she would have kept her house.

There’s a clip floating about of how their break up broke her, it’s so sad, awful that I assume he must be an asshole without knowing the details.

This is what I quite like about her. She’s unapologetically fucked up and takes everyone on the journey

<sigh> I’ll take these points in order

1- it’s not “an awful medical procedure” an early termination is straightforward, simple, and (for me at least) relatively painless. Couple of tablets, half an hour or so of discomfort, pregnancy terminated, boom done.

2- Being a responsible adult doesn’t preclude accidental pregnancy. Condoms split, hormonal contraception and contraceptive devices aren’t safe or suitable for everyone for various reasons. Some people for whatever reason just aren’t great at regularly taking medication- I’m supposed to take thyroxine every day for an under active thyroid but thanks to my raging ADHD I frequently forget, and I need that stuff just to function at a basic level!

3- the “cost” to your body of a termination isn’t always greater than the cost of using hormonal birth control. I tried the pill- I put on a tonne of weight (and also, again, regularly forgot). I tried the implant- I had raging mood swings, bled constantly and had awful acne. My termination was a walk in the park by comparison!

3- the cost to the NHS of a termination is considerably lower than the cost of antenatal care, childbirth, postnatal care, 18 years of free prescriptions and dental care and a whole lifetime of free NHS care for a baby>child>adult.

4- I obviously don’t know for sure, but I would guess Lily
obtained her terminations through private healthcare providers and not her local NHS family planning clinic.

She was doing it way before Taylor swift, just less successfully. She’s been slagging off her exs in her music since 2006 😂

I love Lily Allen. And think she’s one of the hottest women alive.

I don’t give a fuck how many abortions she’s had.

She’s a trailblazer

I really hope this thread doesn’t become a Lily bashing thread… or one that bashes abortions either. Please be respectful of people’s choices!

Too late!