To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

[AngeloMysterioso]

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

You know what a woman who was addicted to substances, cheats on partners and sleeps with 'sex workers' (not a term I like as it sanitises the reality of prostitution) is? Damaged and full of self loathing. Damaged people do things that sometimes hurt other people.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. She's a grown up woman. Her behaviour was vile.

The only person entitled to feel outraged is Gallagher's wife - honestly what business is it of yours? It's not like the title of LA's album is 'perfect person'. Who cares?

I feel like she is prepared to die on the hill of ‘Lily is vile’.

Anyone is entitled to feel what they feel. Get over yourself.

Lily Allen had time and money to sort out her problems.

Anyone who uses prostitutes is vile. I have nothing but contempt for punters, male or female. Her being "damaged" is no excuse for being a punter.

Why do you care she had an affair? It might shock you how many people do!

Ok she is officially in the box marked 'vile'. So don't listen to her music?!

I agree, she has been vile to many people around her. She is not a sweet little person who made bad decisions and who is taking advantage of.
She is an adult and a parent who will say anything to stay in the media.

Well, that’s my point. LA chooses to share all of this personal stuff (at the expense of anyone else’s wishes). People may then form a negative impression of her behaviour and character.

Actually any punter. Especially punters who try and prettify prostitution by calling it "sex work"

Poor Lily Allen was so damaged she was forced to use "sex workers" is one of the daftest things I've read on M.

I didn't say she was sweet. I didn't say I liked her. I didn't say being damaged was an excuse for doing bad things. This is all projection.

I did not say being damaged means she is not responsible for her actions.

Of course in some cases there will be some messed up things that come with being the children of a celebrity, but why, as a parent, would you willingly add to the list?

Yes, they may.

Indeed - that will be a question for her to answer. To her children.

I didn't plead for sympathy or say that being damaged excuses doing bad things. You are projecting a lot of emotion and incorrect assumptions onto my post

Oh pardon me. You were berating posters for lacking sympathy and compassion for a punter. Sorry, if I fail to meet your standards, but as a class, punters are scum.

Ok, she is officially 'scum'

I just want to introduce the astonishing idea that you can feel... both sympathy for someone and... not like some of the things they have done.

That is the first sensible thing you've said.

I'm depressed at people's lack of compassion and understanding of human psychology in general. You know what a woman who was addicted to substances, cheats on partners and sleeps with 'sex workers' (not a term I like as it sanitises the reality of prostitution) is? Damaged and full of self loathing. Damaged people do things that sometimes hurt other people.

Why on earth do you think anyone should have compassion and understanding of any person who uses prostitutes?

See my post above. Astonishing idea isn't it!

How patronising.