To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

[AngeloMysterioso]

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

Someone would have to be spectacularly stupid to have zero comprehension that people living chaotic lives of mental illness, addiction, abuse even etc absolutely can and do get pregnant multiple times and may have multiple terminations. And that it doesn't affect you or your life absolutely at all. It's clear from the tone and the strident attitude on here that it's the multiple abortions that's the issues regardless of the cause or circumstance. Lily Allen isn't going to read the nasty comments people post about women having a termination or more than one termination, but other people women will, is posting your judgement giving you some kind of dopamine hit?

Yes for sure. Even if she is famous and hasn’t always been the nicest, there’s definitely a power imbalance there on a lot of levels, plus I doubt this is his first rodeo in promising the world and then removing the safety catch

She can have as many abortions as she wants, ffs - it’s her body.

@AngeloMysterioso dont know too much about her tbh. However, out of curiosity just listened to her new album and it may well be a contender for pop album of the year! It’s just well, heartbreaking. You get the sense that she as a mother and almost 40, gave this relationship her everything in every conceivable way. That perhaps all those hardships were worth it in some way as every direction led her eventually to this new man. It comes across as her being completely blindsided to the point where I’m some of the songs she still wants to be loved by him and yeah her trying to process the hurt is quite moving actually. It’s so raw I think it could actually be almost triggering to a certain kind of person who thinks they’re getting over a similar betrayal- this album is so powerful, it risks pulling them straight back in to that hurt! I did enjoy it though and she certainly hasn’t lost any of that quirkiness and realness that people loved her for when she first popped up on the music scene 🙂🙃

No one is judging her from having terminations.

We are judging her from laughing about them. Her words are irresponsible and thoughtless.

You have a very kind interpretation of her words and actions. Unfortunately I just don’t think that’s the case with her. She enjoys attention and revels in being edgy, so it’s on brand. Plus, there’s a long track record of her being pretty unpleasant.

Happy to agree to disagree.

What do you mean she laughed about them? Are you referring to anything other than the laugh she gave out after stating “I’ve lost count of the number of abortions”??

@SpidersAreShitheads

would you prefer her to be sobbing with shame??

honestly some people are not happy unless women are suffering. So much misogyny and internalised misogyny.

Having read the whole thread, all I have to say is I think the album is brilliant, lyrically and musically. Raw, honest, it’s OG Lily Allen grown up. She clearly didn’t really want and open relationship, made concessions hoping to save it, even refers to her ‘daddy issues’ a thinking they would break the generational curses. She’s been through it. I think anyone commenting on the content when they clearly haven’t listen to it (many here) should at least hear what she says before forming an opinion

Pussy palace is a great song

I can’t imagine DH is thrilled with that one.

It’s definitely not one of my favourite tracks. Think there’s way better on the album. The subject matter also not being so delightful for that track!

@Thegrassroots26

which songs do you think are better?

I agree with this, and have always found her naturally likeable too.

So far I’m enjoying Beg for Me and West End Girl. Dallas Major is catchy. Madelin and Let you W/in also good.

I have been unfortunate enough to see the end of one of her sets, (she was the support act), and she was absolutely bloody awful. She cannot sing live to save her life - what you hear on a recording has been autotuned to death.
(Also a classically trained singer btw);-)

No, I’d prefer her not to make a mockery of terminations. Not much to ask really. If you actually read my comment I was very explicit in saying there was no need for shame. Literally said that but you’ve ignored that part as it doesn’t fit your narrative.

You can be supportive of an individual without blindly backing up every single thing they do or say.

The irony is that it’s actually misogynistic not to expect women to be accountable for their behaviour. And by behaviour, I’m referring to her laughing off terminations.

If you think what she said is ok then there’s nothing further to discuss as we’re not going to agree 🤷‍♀️

I’ve seen her sing live before and I thought she was great, and very tuneful

(I am not a classically trained singer)

Lots of 1950s moralising going on on this thread. If a friend of yours had an affair would you write them off forever?!

You clearly think there is something wrong with having a termination. The only person someone hurts by behaviour involving multiple terminations is potentially themselves, if they are putting themselves in unsafe situations

Exactly! What is the appropriately sombre facial expression a person must adopt when discussing abortion?!

That's true of lots of popstars to be fair. At least LA can write decent songs

'Accountable for their behaviour' - you'd only say this if you think they have done something wrong. This kind of attitude is a hangover from religion.

I’m fully aware of autotune (husband is sound engineer/ music producer.) Of course it’s often a cover for a poor vocal performance but also in the last twenty years increasingly used as a style choice.
I’ve also seen her live - albeit a long time ago - and she was great.
I think it probably depends where she was in her recovery.

had the earworm all day, can’t really sing it out loud cos of my kids 🤣

Well said. Life is complicated - if people are shocked by a person having 5 abortions they must have led quite a sheltered life. LA is just different because she writes honest, clever songs about her experiences and is prepared to take the flak publicly. Pretty rare but important for a woman to do that imo.