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To think that Sadiq Khan needs investigated?

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Whatifitallgoesright · 21/10/2025 16:14

Considering the ongoing disclosures of the extent of the Pakistani rape gangs in London and Khans refusal to even acknowledge them do we think he has bought the office of Lord Mayor into disrepute?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2123376/i-exposed-sadiq-khans-grooming/amp

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Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 03:43

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 03:40

Mark Rowley:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7017p581lro.amp

has been subject to scrutiny.

Do you think only one man who bears responsibility for crime in London can be scrutinised at a time?

Interesting choice of article if you're trying to prove me wrong there buddy.

The white man wont resign but you want to hold the brown one accountable.

Ok.

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 03:45

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 03:40

Youre making stuff up again

From what you’ve said on this thread, you think an entire list of white male proven convicted predators, royals, and other white people responsible for crime in London should all be addressed first before anyone even thinks about scrutinising Khan’s knowledge and actions, because of his race. You’ve made him a protected species by putting up a protective barrier of action between anyone who has concerns, and him.

You’ve made him a sacred caste, not to be touched.

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 03:48

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 03:43

Interesting choice of article if you're trying to prove me wrong there buddy.

The white man wont resign but you want to hold the brown one accountable.

Ok.

Everyone should be accountable. Rowley’s response is to him being asked to be accountable.

Posting that link is not to say “Rowley won’t go, let’s go after someone else.” What a bizarre notion.

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 03:51

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 03:45

From what you’ve said on this thread, you think an entire list of white male proven convicted predators, royals, and other white people responsible for crime in London should all be addressed first before anyone even thinks about scrutinising Khan’s knowledge and actions, because of his race. You’ve made him a protected species by putting up a protective barrier of action between anyone who has concerns, and him.

You’ve made him a sacred caste, not to be touched.

No.

I think guilty people should be vilified.

Where has khan been proven guilty?

And let's not forget, youre equating rapists and pedophiles with evading a question due to its racist undertones. That's it. He's not even responsible for crime. He can't convict anyone. The police commissioner is responsible for that but you've spent far longer vilifying a brown man than the white man that could actually do anything about it.

Look at yourself.

Serpentstooth · 22/10/2025 03:53

Elon for Lonfon mayor. Does that tickle your fancy OP? Sounds right up your street.

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 04:00

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 03:51

No.

I think guilty people should be vilified.

Where has khan been proven guilty?

And let's not forget, youre equating rapists and pedophiles with evading a question due to its racist undertones. That's it. He's not even responsible for crime. He can't convict anyone. The police commissioner is responsible for that but you've spent far longer vilifying a brown man than the white man that could actually do anything about it.

Look at yourself.

Without an investigation we don’t know what he has done. As an elected official who is responsible for the oversight of crime in London who is responsible for the police commissioner he needs scrutiny.

Look at yourself. If it transpired that Khan has had knowledge of grooming rape gangs in London and chose not to disclose that, don’t you think that’s in the public interest to know?

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 04:01

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 03:48

Everyone should be accountable. Rowley’s response is to him being asked to be accountable.

Posting that link is not to say “Rowley won’t go, let’s go after someone else.” What a bizarre notion.

Edited

But you posted the link. To defend yourself against being racist.

A white man in charge of crime in London. You posted it to prove that you're not racist. A white man. And it's on a thread about a brown man being blamed for crime in London when the brown man has no power to charge anyone.
But the white man does.

And you think I'm putting people on pedestals?
Do you even understand what you're saying?

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 04:03

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 04:00

Without an investigation we don’t know what he has done. As an elected official who is responsible for the oversight of crime in London who is responsible for the police commissioner he needs scrutiny.

Look at yourself. If it transpired that Khan has had knowledge of grooming rape gangs in London and chose not to disclose that, don’t you think that’s in the public interest to know?

Oh my dear god.

Do you honestly think khan has more knowledge about criminal cases than Rowley?!

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 04:05

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 04:01

But you posted the link. To defend yourself against being racist.

A white man in charge of crime in London. You posted it to prove that you're not racist. A white man. And it's on a thread about a brown man being blamed for crime in London when the brown man has no power to charge anyone.
But the white man does.

And you think I'm putting people on pedestals?
Do you even understand what you're saying?

No, I posted the link to point out that all men of all races are being subject to scrutiny over their handling of such things. Who is Rowley’s boss?

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 04:09

Starconundrum · 22/10/2025 04:03

Oh my dear god.

Do you honestly think khan has more knowledge about criminal cases than Rowley?!

We don’t know without an investigation, do we?

And if he has no knowledge of grooming rape gangs, why didn’t he tell Susan Hall “I have no knowledge of grooming rape gangs”?

And yes, I would expect the Mayor of London to have knowledge of such matters given its huge importance. If he doesn’t, that means criminal matters of huge importance aren’t being passed onto him. He somehow knew all about other criminal matters though didn’t he? Criminal numbering and so on? But not willing to talk about grooming gangs?

So why? Is it not as important as those things he did know about? Or he hasn’t had that information passed on to him? Or he knows and wouldn’t say?

SuffolkSun · 22/10/2025 06:41

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 04:09

We don’t know without an investigation, do we?

And if he has no knowledge of grooming rape gangs, why didn’t he tell Susan Hall “I have no knowledge of grooming rape gangs”?

And yes, I would expect the Mayor of London to have knowledge of such matters given its huge importance. If he doesn’t, that means criminal matters of huge importance aren’t being passed onto him. He somehow knew all about other criminal matters though didn’t he? Criminal numbering and so on? But not willing to talk about grooming gangs?

So why? Is it not as important as those things he did know about? Or he hasn’t had that information passed on to him? Or he knows and wouldn’t say?

You know, it might be worth your while to read responses by other posters here. Some of which provide useful information. Such as quoting what Khan said to Susan Hall on 1st July 2025; this has already been posted twice, a few hours ago, but so you don't have to go looking for it:

"My understanding from speaking to the police, and she will appreciate, I have done on a regular basis, is - and I choose my words carefully for the reasons she will understand - there are no reported cases and also no indication of the grooming gangs that she is concerned about in London. That is not to say it could not have happened for the reasons she has said, but the MPS has been quite proactive in trying to see if there are any issues in relation to the stuff reported in other parts of the country."

Pretty clear really. He's speaking directly to Hall. He's telling her what the MPS has told him. And what the MPS has told him is that there is no indication of the "rape gangs" - the words Hall herself used - in London.

You've been vehemently adamant that there "must be" CSA gangs operating in London, and that Khan is actively ignoring the existence of these. So, it's now time for you to provide the factual, verified information that backs up your claim. And by verified information I don't mean the badly-written slop published by the Express you linked to before; that contained unevidenced assertions with nothing to substantiate them.

You must have got your knowledge that there are gangs operating in London, and Khan is actively ignoring them, from somewhere. Show us from where - provide the links to these credible sources of information so we can see for ourselves.

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 07:00

SuffolkSun · 22/10/2025 06:41

You know, it might be worth your while to read responses by other posters here. Some of which provide useful information. Such as quoting what Khan said to Susan Hall on 1st July 2025; this has already been posted twice, a few hours ago, but so you don't have to go looking for it:

"My understanding from speaking to the police, and she will appreciate, I have done on a regular basis, is - and I choose my words carefully for the reasons she will understand - there are no reported cases and also no indication of the grooming gangs that she is concerned about in London. That is not to say it could not have happened for the reasons she has said, but the MPS has been quite proactive in trying to see if there are any issues in relation to the stuff reported in other parts of the country."

Pretty clear really. He's speaking directly to Hall. He's telling her what the MPS has told him. And what the MPS has told him is that there is no indication of the "rape gangs" - the words Hall herself used - in London.

You've been vehemently adamant that there "must be" CSA gangs operating in London, and that Khan is actively ignoring the existence of these. So, it's now time for you to provide the factual, verified information that backs up your claim. And by verified information I don't mean the badly-written slop published by the Express you linked to before; that contained unevidenced assertions with nothing to substantiate them.

You must have got your knowledge that there are gangs operating in London, and Khan is actively ignoring them, from somewhere. Show us from where - provide the links to these credible sources of information so we can see for ourselves.

It’s outlined in the Express article. Maggie Oliver, who knows more than anyone, thinks it clearly indicates the same pattern as grooming rape gangs, and the investigation shows that Khan has seen these reports. You have Oliver and Chris Wild, people who deal with abuse on a daily basis, and victims of grooming giving their stories, all in the article.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2122808/sadiq-khan-grooming-gang-files

Sadiq Khan grooming gang 'cover-up' exposed by new evidence

EXCLUSIVE: The Daily Express has uncovered shocking evidence of grooming gangs in London

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2122808/sadiq-khan-grooming-gang-files

Justputsomeyoghurtonit · 22/10/2025 07:07

CloudSky · 21/10/2025 22:36

I’d love to know where the explosion of talking/writing like this has come from! It drives me INSANE!! It doesn’t even sound right, yet more and more people are doing it!

Needs to be investigated
or
Needs investigating

@CloudSky I know the thread has moved on, but I absolutely agree.

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2025 07:20

For those whose sensibilities are offended by the facts reported in the Express:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8zew2egjvo.amp

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2r2ejlvm1o

And Baroness Casey’s report which describes issues in London, particularly with reference to how different definitions obscure data:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/685559d05225e4ed0bf3ce54/National_Audit_on_Group-based_Child_Sexual_Exploitation_and_Abuse.pdf

Hernameisdeborah · 22/10/2025 07:22

Another day, another boo hiss Sadiq Khan thread. Boring.

Bobbingtons · 22/10/2025 07:26

I don't think anyone can say that there aren't grooming gangs in London. The issue is that certain individuals keep including the word Pakistani which is race bating, Islamically and dangerous as it creates a false narrative around these groups because the evidence shows they are slightly less likely that white individuals, therefore it makes it easier for white people to get away with it (85% as of last years stats)
Yaxley Lennon and his ilk do not give a monkeys about the safety and girls, they are just fueled by Islamic Hatred and this thread is a byproduct of that.

Coolasfeck · 22/10/2025 07:58

As a born and bred Londoner I’m hoping Khan runs again so I can vote for him. Again. Great Mayor who loves this city.

Bringemout · 22/10/2025 08:42

Bobbingtons · 22/10/2025 07:26

I don't think anyone can say that there aren't grooming gangs in London. The issue is that certain individuals keep including the word Pakistani which is race bating, Islamically and dangerous as it creates a false narrative around these groups because the evidence shows they are slightly less likely that white individuals, therefore it makes it easier for white people to get away with it (85% as of last years stats)
Yaxley Lennon and his ilk do not give a monkeys about the safety and girls, they are just fueled by Islamic Hatred and this thread is a byproduct of that.

All the data points to this particular type of offending to be predominantly muslim men. No-one is saying that most sex offenders are muslim.

Khan saw the reports talking about this kind of offending and then pretended it isn’t happening and now the mets come out and said it is happening.

Someone is being dishonest here.

OpheliaIsntMad · 22/10/2025 08:46

Bobbingtons · 22/10/2025 07:26

I don't think anyone can say that there aren't grooming gangs in London. The issue is that certain individuals keep including the word Pakistani which is race bating, Islamically and dangerous as it creates a false narrative around these groups because the evidence shows they are slightly less likely that white individuals, therefore it makes it easier for white people to get away with it (85% as of last years stats)
Yaxley Lennon and his ilk do not give a monkeys about the safety and girls, they are just fueled by Islamic Hatred and this thread is a byproduct of that.

The issue for me is that grooming gangs elsewhere in the country were allowed to continue for years . People in authority turned a blind eye because they didn’t want to be accused of racism. I don’t want that to happen in London.
I want the safety of young girls to come first.

Simonjt · 22/10/2025 08:48

OpheliaIsntMad · 22/10/2025 08:46

The issue for me is that grooming gangs elsewhere in the country were allowed to continue for years . People in authority turned a blind eye because they didn’t want to be accused of racism. I don’t want that to happen in London.
I want the safety of young girls to come first.

No, authority turned a blind eye because they were sexually abusing the same victims, but a lot of people thinks thats okay as the figures in authority were largely white, so gloss over it ever happening.

AzurePanda · 22/10/2025 08:48

Julie Bindel has published a very interesting piece on Unherd today titled “Why is London ignoring its grooming gangs?”

OpheliaIsntMad · 22/10/2025 09:00

AzurePanda · 22/10/2025 08:48

Julie Bindel has published a very interesting piece on Unherd today titled “Why is London ignoring its grooming gangs?”

Thanks. Very interesting.
Love Julie Bindel.

OpheliaIsntMad · 22/10/2025 09:01

Simonjt · 22/10/2025 08:48

No, authority turned a blind eye because they were sexually abusing the same victims, but a lot of people thinks thats okay as the figures in authority were largely white, so gloss over it ever happening.

That’s a very partial interpretation of what happened.

Soukmyfalafel · 22/10/2025 09:08

PinkFrogss · 21/10/2025 16:50

Agreed, it’s just been particularly noticeable when it comes to Khan recently.

Apart from the obvious I also wonder if it’s related to Prince Andrew as an easy distraction to get people frothing over the democratically elected brown guy over the birth right white guy.

Of course it bloody is.

They are doing a great job at diverting our attention though aren't they 😂