To think that Sadiq Khan needs investigated?

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Considering the ongoing disclosures of the extent of the Pakistani rape gangs in London and Khans refusal to even acknowledge them do we think he has bought the office of Lord Mayor into disrepute?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2123376/i-exposed-sadiq-khans-grooming/amp

Should we ignore what’s happening in London right now and talk about historic cases of sexual abuse instead ?
Or is that “diverting our attention “?

I don't know the DATA points to "this type of offending" being predominately muslim men.

It's certain that much of the PUBLICITY is around gang based grooming by prodominately muslim men.

If you don’t know about the data then you should read Baroness Casey’s report https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/baroness-caseys-audit-of-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse
The Home Secretary said “But on the key issues of ethnicity that I had asked her to examine, she has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”.

The truth is that there has not been enough PUBLICITY about this issue until recently as it has been covered up for decades.

Yes, I read that ealrier in the thread. I cant see where it says "this type of offending" is carried out predominately by muslim men.

There is a terrifying amount of CSA going on and it all needs addressing. It is of course necessary to look at grooming by predominately Pakisatani men but not make the mistake of thinking that's going to solve the problem of CSA.

It’s been referenced repeatedly. Sonia Sodha is booting the boot in on this “lets not talk about ethnicity” thing on twitter. Godbless her, I love that woman.

I’m asian and I personally don’t feel like people trying to avoid offense are doing me any favours. I feel like they put the feelings of men above the safety of children. I honestly don’t give a flying fuck about anything other than girls and women at this point.

There is always something more important than the rights of children and women not to be harmed.

After the revolution dear.

But on the key issues of ethnicity that I had asked her to examine, she has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”.

https://unherd.com/2025/10/why-is-london-ignoring-its-grooming-gangs/

Heres Julie Bindel, you know that raging EDL type hatemonger.

This is precisely why the national inquiry is so desperately needed, because the data in so many respects is poor.

I dont think you understood my point.

Its like people are saying "Crimes by Pakistanis are almost all carried out by muslims".

And it does matter IF we end up looking for gang based CSE only in muslim or Palistani groups.

Well said

You aren’t making any kind of point. Girls came forward, primarily the people they complained about being targeted by were Pakistani men in some areas of the country. White gang offenders have also been arrested alongside, iraqis, turks, somalis, egyptians, afghans etc etc. it’s in the report you keep saying you have seen but have clearly not bothered to read. The data is affected by a lack of information but there is general agreement that disproportionately the offending is by a particular demographic.

The purpose was not to just look for offenders from a particular demographic , it’s just what they found. The reason race gained salience here is because the authorities turned a blind eye to avoid being called racist.

It’s all in the report.

NEW: Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood has released a statement on grooming gangs after 4 victims walked away from the inquiry “For years, the victims were ignored. A few listened to them and gave them voice. But — to its eternal discredit — the state, in its many forms, did not heed their call until it was far too late. “In time, we came to know this as the "grooming gangs" scandal, though I have never thought the name matched the scale of the evil. We must call them what they were: evil child rapists. “We must acknowledge who they were too. While the data is scant, and shamefully so, Baroness Casey's report was clear that "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds" were "amongst the suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation". “Like all who read that report, I was horrified by what Baroness Casey exposed. Some of the most vulnerable people in this country were abused and exploited at the hands of predatory monsters. It was, and will forever remain, one of the darkest moments in our country's history. “The victims and survivors were failed, both at the time of their abuse and in the many years afterwards. They were not believed. They were treated as an inconvenience. In some cases, they were even made suspects themselves. “I know that the only way that we, as a country, can move forwards is when we finally get to the whole truth. That is why this government committed to a full, statutory, national inquiry. “This inquiry must uncover how these crimes were allowed to happen, and root out state failure wherever it occurred, be that local government, national government, policing or elsewhere. Doing so is the very least that the victims of these hideous crimes deserve. “It is essential that the victims themselves are at the heart of this inquiry. It was for that reason that we set up a victims group to support the inquiry in its inception, and throughout its work. “It was with a heavy heart, in recent days, I learnt that some members have decided to step away from the group. Should they wish to return, the door will always remain open to them. But even if they do not, I owe it to them — and the country — to answer some of the concerns that they have raised. “Firstly, this inquiry is not, and will never be, watered down on my watch. Its scope will not change, and nor will its intent. It will be robust and rigorous. It will direct and oversee local investigations, with the power to compel witnesses and summon evidence. “Secondly, this inquiry will focus on grooming gangs — and that will not change. “Thirdly, it will explicitly examine the ethnicity and religion of the offenders. I know that some are frustrated that they are still waiting for this inquiry to begin. I understand that frustration. And I feel it myself. “But I also know that we have to get this right, and take the time to do so. Crucially, we must appoint the right chair to lead this work. Unfortunately, that task has been made harder by the intense — albeit justified — pressure that will be placed upon the person who fills it. “I hope and believe the wait will now not be much longer. And once the inquiry begins, the truth will follow. “There will be no hiding place for those who abused the most vulnerable in our society. Nor will those who ignored victims, and even covered up what occurred, be shielded from the truth”

Thats Shabana Mahmoods statement, again acknowledging that this type of offending is primarily asian men, which is a bit of a fib isn’t it?

There are grooming gangs of all ethnicities.

I live in the North East and there was a fairly
recent case of a grooming gang where the perpetrators were all white.

I just wish that more attention was given to trying to deal with the actual issue of why so many men feel that it is acceptable to treat young girls in this way.

The most concerning thing to me is why these girls were ignored and villified for so long. Police, social workers, local councils all bear responsibility. It doesn't matter what race.or religion they were they treated these young girls disgracefully because of their backgrounds.

Ther may have been other factors involved in the Rotheram situation in that the perpetrators viewed the girls as "lesser" because they were not from their community but the bottom line is that there are a lot of vile men around and it is very difficult for young girls to be believed.

I think the focus on ethnicity is diverting from the real problem. Why do some men think it is acceptable to treat women and girls as pieces of meat.

What problem did you have understanding the simple sentence "And by verified information I don't mean the badly-written slop published by the Express you linked to before"?

I must have higher standards than you, since when someone publishes an assertion that X is the case, I expect them to demonstrate with facts that they have researched for themselves that X is indeed the case or, at least, very, very likely. In the article you're relying on, the writer and Oliver make assertions of widespread criminal behaviour. These assertions are given on the basis of seeing a couple of sentences at most of minimal detail on three cases studies in two reports from 2016 and 2019. But there are no facts.

"and victims of grooming giving their stories, all in the article". Are you really this thick? No victim gives their story in the article. The barest details of three case studies are cited by the article writer. That you don't understand the difference is bizarre.

Readers here could, for example, assert - on the basis of the posts you've made here - that you're rather gullible, are unable to distinguish between uninformed opinion and proven fact and are happy to lap up the racially-motivated bilge published by the Express because it aligns with your own prejudices. But, those would be assertions only, not fact.

So, for the second time of asking, do you have links to credible sources that demonstrate, based on proven fact, that large scale, organised CSA grooming gang activity is taking place in London and that the Mayor of London is deliberately ignoring this. As you've repeatedly asserted this is the case, I'm sure it will be easy for you to provide the links.

Interesting you said that, the survivors who resigned from the panel pointed out that this is supposed to be a grooming gang enquiry and resigned precisely because they felt the government were trying to widen the inquiry to include all those of CSA to dilute their experience. They were also told that they shouldn’t be talking about race etc despite the fact that there was a clear dynamic around ethnicity and religion and the girls repeatedly were subjected to racist abuse ontop of all the other horrors they faced

I guess thats what you are doing here, trying to muddy the waters on this. Ask people to not look too closely at it because it’s uncomfortable.

As I said. After the revolution ladies, theres always something more important than justice for the female victims of rape and violence.

You don’t care about these victims. You care about race baiting and dog whistling that’s why you keep referring to them as Pakistani grooming gangs when it’s well
known that the largest pedophile ring busted in this country was made up of entirely white folks. Your outrage for that will never come forth.

If you really cared about these victims of grooming gangs you would start from the bottom and work your way up. There is only one common denominator in these cases and that is all the victims are vulnerable and or in care therefore easily accessed. They were almost all know to social services for several reasons.

Now whose fault is that? The parents who end up letting their children down to begin with that they end up known to social care, the schools that can’t keep them
engaged so they’re absent for lengthy periods, the social services who weren’t following up the complaints and concerns of parents or schools, how about the care workers and homes ? The police who didn’t do their roles properly and then of course the perpetrators. No one was looking out for these young victims. Now we have the likes of you using their trauma to further your racist agenda rather than actually dealing with the issue at hand.

No one is denying the victims were let down by various institutions but to suggest that Khan is responsible for it all or that he has hand in it somewhere is disgustingly disingenuous. It has all the usual suspects on MNS out frothing at the mouth because well you know he’s brown.

@SuffolkSun have you seen Julie Bindel’s piece on Unherd; “Why is London ignoring its grooming gangs?”

There’s no requirement to provide links to “proven facts”, questions have been raised by multiple sources and it’s not unreasonable for people to want answers. This is why we have enquiries.

If you’re going to serious allegations against a public figure then yes you need to provide your source because the article certainly doesn’t.

I tend to blame rapists for being rapey. But I like your long list of people to blame before you get to the rapists.

I keep posting that it is clearly acknowledged that a disproportionate amount of this specific type of offending is done by a specific group. Why shy away from it, women are quitting the enquiry specifically because they feel they aren’t allowed to talk about that.

It just is, it’s unfortunate that it is a minority group and of course all men from that group aren’t perverts and no-one has suggested that. But pretending there is no ethnic/cultural/religious dimension flies in the face of Caseys report.

I’m brown, I care more about girls being raped than I do about people being mean to Sadiq Khan. He can look after himself, they can’t.

I think the point is that he has obfuscated about girls being trafficked for sex over and over and tried to tie it into county lines when it’s a distinct crime. I don’t think it’s just a him problem, clearly the police also don’t seem bothered either.

When the original Rotherham story broke it was entirely because a journalist went around and chatted to people and started asking questions. It’s a reasonable way to expose institutional failure.

I actually don’t think Sadiq Khan is avoiding this stuff because he’s brown or muslim. I think a white person from the Labour party would have done exactly the same thing.

I was responding to an assertion that "this type of offending" is carried put predominately by Muslim men. There wasn't a definiton of what "this type of offending" meant nor what proportion would define "predominately". My point is that saying CSE is prodominately Pakistani based risks the ability to help potential future victims just as much as the shameful hushing up and not sharing information.

I watched an interview with Baroness Casey alongside survivors and she stated 1 there were authorities who didn't pass on information to avoid the abuse being used for sitrring up racial tension 2 there is an cultural element to the cases she looked at that needs understanding and sharing 3 Pakistani grooming gangs are (awfully, sadly) a small percentage of the CSE happening in the UK 4 Some politicians and commentators are using grooming gangs as a political tool. I don't disagree with any of this.

In the article linked earlier Yvette Cooper said she had asked Baroness Casey to look particularly at the cultural background to offenders in Rotherham, Rochdale and elsewhere. So of course a report about mainly Pakistani grooming gangs would be predominately about Pakistani grooming gangs.

In case of misunderstanding, I think where these gangs' activities were covered up is awful. Much of the abuse was got away with for so long was also due to the girls and young women being seen as trouble; so avoiding racial tension was not the only factor. But a factor that should not be ignored while at the same time avoiding making Muslims into a scary "other" that does nothing to help victims.

Back to the OP, where the phrase used was "Pakistani Rape Gangs". Khan could and should have been clearer in answering Susan Hall but the evidence presented SO FAR about grooming in London hasn't mentioned Pakistani heritage men.

I'll try to find the Casey report and I will bother to read it (again) and if my understanding shifts I'll be back to update you.

I think all communities have peadophiles and misogynistic abusers in their midst. The Catholic Church , the BBC , the rich and privileged and the poor and disadvantaged.
If there is an organised “ring” of abusers from one community it needs to be acknowledged and there should be transparency.

The whole point of the enquiry and in the case of Rotherham was the institutional failures which led to a) this happening and b) it continuing as well as lack of justice for the victims. That’s why I said you start at the bottom. I thought you were all for the enquiry? We know they were rapists because they were convicted so that makes your first comment irrelevant because it’s an established fact when it comes to the enquiry.

I am sorry that the enquiry didn’t become a Muslim/ Pakistani bashing session that you were so desperate for but as I said race is irrelevant in these cases whether you like it or not. The common theme in all grooming cases is that vulnerable victims were easy targets and they were often preyed upon for that reason. If we focused on that we may be able to actually help and protect victims right now. People like you hijacking the matter for your racist agendas are preventing actual
and justice and much needed meaningful
safeguarding changes required.

I can’t see the relevance of you being brown either.

Yep a long list indeed. If the mayor can’t answer a direct question on grooming gangs there’s a problem. Even if some on mn would prefer he wasn’t mentioned.