To want Prince Andrew to lose his title and go to prison?

[Fandango52]

I read an extract at the weekend of Virginia Giuffre’s book and it really shocked me. I was aware - like lots of people - of her case against Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew, and also watched Emily Maitlis’s interview with Prince Andrew when it came out a few years ago.

We know that Epstein and Maxwell went to prison and I think Andrew should also go to prison. He raped Virginia Giuffre and lied about this, repeatedly denying he had actually met her. This would definitely lead to criminal charges for non-royals (even if the case was later dropped, as it often is with rape - which is another story).

I know it’s likely Andrew won’t go to prison - mainly because he is a prince - and I find that so grim. I know he’s lost some of his titles, like his dukedom, but I don’t think that is enough.

I have no connection to the case at all and no reason to be particularly invested in it, apart from the fact it’s shocking and quite unique, and because I think it’s hugely unjust that Andrew probably won’t be brought to justice because he was born royal.

AIBU to think Andrew should at least be tried in court - and if found guilty, should lose his titles and go to prison?

Try him for what exactly? What specific offence? What UK law that was on the statute books in 2001 do you think he has broken?

@ShenandoahRiver

That can’t be correct - Andrew sent an email - so written proof - to the Queen’s press secretary telling them he’d obtained ( how?) Virginas social security number and asked his tax payer funded police protection to dig up dirt ! So they all knew years ago that Andrew had done that and nothing was done ?

I had read that Andrew had got hold of Virginia’s social security number but he’d actually put it in writing ?

When was this ?

@Ukisgaslit
Emails were sent in 2010/2011
Ed Perkins was the Queen's deputy press secretary.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-smear-campaign-email-met-police-b2847963.html

Rape.

Is there any evidence, or even suggestion, that he committed rape in the UK?

Before the Sexual Offences Act 2003 you could commit sexual offences abroad with utter impunity as UK prosecutors had no jurisdiction - Thailand was quite the holiday destination for UK paedophiles for example.

You would have to prove that either he committed rape in the UK, or that he committed sexual offences abroad after 2003.

@ShenandoahRiver

Thank you for the link

The emails were sent BEFORE the legal case -and more importantly before the BBC interview where Andrew swore he had no idea who Virginia was ?

Even I’m shocked and that’s not easy as my opinion of the Windsors couldnt be lower

I’ve just come across this interview between Emily Maitlis and Shelagh Fogarty about EM’s 2019 interview with Andrew: . It’s only 10 minutes long and worth listening to. I found it particularly interesting that, around 8 minutes in, EM and SF discuss the prospect of Andrew standing trial and don’t dismiss it.

There is a suggestion in an extract of VG’s memoir - www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/15/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-abuse-epstein-maxwell
thaf Andrew committed a crime.

In the linked extract, VG says this: ‘He seemed in a rush to have intercourse. Afterward, he said thank you in his clipped British accent. In my memory, the whole thing lasted less than half an hour.’

And having sex with a trafficked woman - such as VG - is a crime in the UK, whether or not she is or over the age of consent (as @WaryHiker points out in a post from 05:34 yesterday morning).

A suggestion is not evidence. I have no time for Prince Andrew but you cannot convict someone of rape based on a 'suggestion.'

Having sex with a trafficked woman (or child in this case, as she was under 18) has only been a crime since 2003 though and these offences took place in 2001. That's the problem. In fact up until 2003 it was not even an offence to pay for the sexual services of a child, provided she was over 16.

Ah okay - sorry, I hadn’t realised. I think I saw some earlier posts on here that might have mentioned that, but can’t remember.

Absolutely, but I thought perhaps it’s worth investigating further. However, as PP have pointed out, having sex with a trafficked woman - which VG mentions in the extract I link to above - only became a crime in 2003, 2 years after PA allegedly had sex with VG in 2001.

@Luna6

So :
Andrew lied on video about never contacting Epstein again ,
emailed him pledging his allegiance AFTER Epstein had been convicted of soliciting a minor ,
Andrew some how ( as yet unexplained) obtained her social security number and asked his protection officer to ‘dig up dirt’ - and emailed this act to the queens deputy private secretary,
Andrew hid from the police and FBI despite pledging to help them ,
Andrew has never once helped the investigation despite stating during the interview that he would
And finally Andrew’s mother paid multiple millions to Virginia ( from us ultimately ) to make it go away

And you say Andrew must be given the benefit of the

An innocent man would have be grateful for his day in court

wdited above as addressed to wrong person

@Luna6

Andrew has had a decade to contact the police and sue / have his day in court . He has run away , tried to blacken her name , lied on video and paid her off .

And he’s living in luxury supported by the rest of the Windsors .
Why ?

I find Andrew repulsive. I also find her father repulsive. He was apparently guilty of repeatedly raping her when she was a very young child and pimping her out. Why is no one shouting for him to be prosecuted?

Andrew is being used as a distraction. Who was the minister who brutally raped her to the extent she begged Epstein not to make her go back to him? For example. Clinton seems to be getting off very lightly as well. I would really like it if the cover up of these other men was being investigated

andrew is finished - he will hate being a nobody having to hide in the shadows. Public opinion has decided he’s a rapist.

YABU. I hate the guy and I’m no royalist but your op says ‘he raped VG… this would definitely lead to criminal charges for non-royals’ wrong. ‘Andrew wont go to prison mainly because he is a prince’ wrong. ‘Andrew wont be brought to justice and tried because he was born royal’ wrong. ‘Andrew should be tried in court and if found guilty … go to prison’ no. There is no evidence he has committed a crime, a rape. The sex she describes in the memoir was when she was over 16 & consensual and, whether he knew she was trafficked or not is irrelevant as that was not criminalised until the SoA 2003.

Actually, if you read today’s news he’s being supported by the tax payer as he has only paid peppercorn rent on Royal Lodge for past 20 years and rent on Crown Estate properties is paid to the Treasury.

His days are numbered at Windsor now I think.

We don’t know if the sex was consensual or not. However, my feeling is it was not consensual, because:

• VG was trafficked by Epstein to have sex with Andrew
• Andrew paid her £12m to settle she law suit that she brought against him. Why would Andrew have paid VG £12m if he had done nothing wrong?

Because her father is not a public figure, so it hasn’t been in the public interest to learn that VG’s father abused her. Andrew, on the other hand, very much is a public figure.

I would also like the other men involved to be investigated.

I believe VG was raped, as do lots of people. We don’t know if she was raped. We also don’t know if she had consensual sex with Andrew. Where does it say that it was consensual please? If there is any evidence that shows Andrew raped VG, I would like him to go on trial. If he is found guilty at trial, I would like him to go to prison.

We live in a country where people can be convicted of less than this and sent to prison.

Oh so that’s alright then. He’s not a public figure so doesn’t need to be investigated for raping and abusing his child.