To want Prince Andrew to lose his title and go to prison?

[Fandango52]

I read an extract at the weekend of Virginia Giuffre’s book and it really shocked me. I was aware - like lots of people - of her case against Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew, and also watched Emily Maitlis’s interview with Prince Andrew when it came out a few years ago.

We know that Epstein and Maxwell went to prison and I think Andrew should also go to prison. He raped Virginia Giuffre and lied about this, repeatedly denying he had actually met her. This would definitely lead to criminal charges for non-royals (even if the case was later dropped, as it often is with rape - which is another story).

I know it’s likely Andrew won’t go to prison - mainly because he is a prince - and I find that so grim. I know he’s lost some of his titles, like his dukedom, but I don’t think that is enough.

I have no connection to the case at all and no reason to be particularly invested in it, apart from the fact it’s shocking and quite unique, and because I think it’s hugely unjust that Andrew probably won’t be brought to justice because he was born royal.

AIBU to think Andrew should at least be tried in court - and if found guilty, should lose his titles and go to prison?

@Fandango52
"just to add, Meadowfinch, that VG got a multi-million pound settlement from Andrew/the royal family - as reported here and in many other sources: https://news.sky.com/story/victory-for-virginia-says-family-of-prince-andrews-accuser-as-royal-gives-up-all-his-titles-13451850. This indicates the case was rather more solid than just ‘his word against hers’.
There is no way that Andrew/the royals would have paid VG any money to settle if her case had been baseless - yet they paid her several millions of pounds. There is a strong possibility that the money was paid to essentially keep VG quiet."

Wrong - It certainly does not indicate that the case was more solid in Guiffres favour, HLMTQ financed the 12 million settlement to Giuffre very quickly ( who apparantly wasn't after money anyway: - She was already a millionaire www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-settlement-b1992027.html) when she realised who else may be involved. Prior to this Andrew had always insisted that he would not capitulate and wanted to fight the allegations. https://www.businessinsider.com/meghan-markle-could-testify-in-prince-andrew-lawsuit-lawyer-says-2021-12 I think this is odd and the picture could be very much more complicated than it seems. Andrew is an utter disgrace and a fool, however he has not been found guilty of anything and given the other very eminent names on the flightlogs etc I do wonder why he is being thrown to the wolves and no one else seems to be under investigation.
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Yes, frugality. And also years of negative press. And possible conviction due to the bar for conviction being a lot lower in civil case vs criminal case.

Defending a high profile case lasting years and years in the US would have racked up a legal bill many times over £12m. And it would have kept everything in the press continually. PA offered a settlement and VG accepted it. She didn’t have to, no one forced her to.

I agree. I am reading the book and didn't realise the extent of the abuse Virginia and others endured. Andrew and many others should rot in hell. They are just as abhorrent as the Grooming gangs.

Twas ever thus...rich, powerful man abuses vulnerable young women/girls. Makes my blood boil.

@Franpie

Well that’s a new angle - an utterly unbelievable one in my opinion .

Elizabeth paid off Andrew’s accuser to save the tax payer money . As if lol !

What he did was vile and inappropriate but I don’t think it could be classed as rape could it ?

Yes it can . She was trafficked

Saving the tax payer money?? How very altruistic.🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nothing to do with saving the tax payer money. Saving their own money. The tax payer had nothing to do with the civil case in the US.

The tax payer has everything to do with it !
Every penny the Windsors have is taken from us .
They don’t own any of it - not even the Duchies despite treating them t like their own tax free bank .

They paid Virgina because it was that or Andrew appear in a court .

Royals avoid proper scrutiny at all costs .

I would like to know who Ed Perkins told about the emails he received from Andrew telling him that he asked his tax payer funded Met police protection officer to dig for dirt on VG having supplied the officer with her social security number.
Did Mr Perkins inform his boss - the Queen’s Press Secretary? Did he in turn inform the Queen and Prince Philip?

The RF means that much to you.

100% This ☝🏼

That would never happen. He would always receive help from his family no matter what. Prison seems like a much better alternative.

Also agree.
And while everyone is looking at this (idiot) person , as somebody said , it’s taking away from real abusers , traffickers, etc
Lets put focus on what’s happening now , that we can actually change and stop suffering

Trump and his ilk must be thanking the gods that all attention on Prince Andrew

If I was betting woman, I’d put my money on “the gods” having nothing to do with it. It is extremely fishy that the only emails being leaked from the FBI dossier are related to Prince Andrew and not all the other high profile Americans (including Trump).

Yes others must be culpable too of course they are .

But I can also point out that when you ask to stop the focus on Andrew with this argument you are letting Andrew and the Windsors dodge questions about what they knew and when.

Other rich men are also not supported in a life of privilege by hard pressed taxpayers in an uneasy arrangement where we have this family as head of the state religion and clearly above the law !

It's the ghostwritten word of a dead woman against his. Unless they find concrete evidence, no chance.

@Franpie I agree- I’m not a monarchist and can’t stand Andrew and his behaviour was disgusting but he’s definitely being used as the ‘’keep eyes away from others’ here I feel

It’s not about the money. !!
It’s about finding the real abusers - rich , poor , or somewhere in between and stopping the abuse.
The ones that are carrying on today - probably in plain sight.
How many people knew about Jimmy Saville. He certainly wasn’t a one man band.

Lots of people knew about Saville . And Charles was warned about him

Sound familar ?

Theres a whole list of pedophiles and sex offenders that the Windsors protected even championed so forgive me for not believing a word that say.

They are a very dark family .
Time to shine some light on them properly

Because of the 1917 Titles Deprivation Act which (in and of itself only provided for removals within the context of WW1 and those acting as enemies of the state):

“provided for a committee tasked with considering whether a peerage or a title should be removed from a person, and subject to parliament’s approval, made a recommendation to the king when action should be taken.”

UK law provides for titles to be in the gift of the monarch and so, by definition Parliament has to include them in the process.

I believe Stephen Flynn MP has tabled an amendment to this to be debated, whether or not they vote it through is another matter. It remains, as galling as it is, the fact that he has not been convicted of anything.