To want Prince Andrew to lose his title and go to prison?

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I read an extract at the weekend of Virginia Giuffre’s book and it really shocked me. I was aware - like lots of people - of her case against Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew, and also watched Emily Maitlis’s interview with Prince Andrew when it came out a few years ago.

We know that Epstein and Maxwell went to prison and I think Andrew should also go to prison. He raped Virginia Giuffre and lied about this, repeatedly denying he had actually met her. This would definitely lead to criminal charges for non-royals (even if the case was later dropped, as it often is with rape - which is another story).

I know it’s likely Andrew won’t go to prison - mainly because he is a prince - and I find that so grim. I know he’s lost some of his titles, like his dukedom, but I don’t think that is enough.

I have no connection to the case at all and no reason to be particularly invested in it, apart from the fact it’s shocking and quite unique, and because I think it’s hugely unjust that Andrew probably won’t be brought to justice because he was born royal.

AIBU to think Andrew should at least be tried in court - and if found guilty, should lose his titles and go to prison?

Yes I’m aware of this Act . The Windsors’ ‘real’ name is Saxe - Coburg and Gotha and many their family was fighting for the Germans in WW1 , as they would do as the whole line is German

I saw an MP yesterday estimate it would take a couple of hours for something similar to be passed now.
The letters patent etc more protocol bullshit made up to aid the Windsors as and when needed

If we decided to get rid, as seems increasingly likely sooner rather than later , it would be done without issue.
Just as fir example Germany and Italy did post war

I blame the parents on how he turned out

send him to Australia !!!!

We now know that he lied to Emily Maitliss during that interview. He told her that the very last time he had any contact with Epstein was when he visited him in New York in December 2010 to tell him in person that their friendship was over (when he said that, if anything, he was too honourable).

An email has just been released that he sent to Epstein on 28 February 2011 where he says:

'Don’t worry about me! It would seem we are in this together and will have to rise above it. Otherwise keep in close touch and we’ll play some more soon!!!!'

So he's a proven liar. I believe he is guilty but unfortunately he won't be tried in a courtroom. He paid £12 million to ensure that this wouldn't happen.

No, not at all. Not if the sex was essentially consensual and she was of the legal age.

So he's a proven liar. I believe he is guilty but unfortunately he won't be tried in a courtroom. He paid £12 million to ensure that this wouldn't happen.

He won’t be tried in a UK courtroom because there isn’t enough evidence. You can’t buy your way out of a criminal case.

I don’t think there has been a cover up in the UK because he’s a Windsor. Only around 2% of rape allegations result in a charge. So 98% of victims have to live with their attacker having absolutely no consequences at all, whether they are a prince or a poor man.

At least VG was able to let the world know who he really is. She was able to deliver him the humiliation he deserves. Most victims don’t even get that.

So he's a proven liar. I believe he is guilty but unfortunately he won't be tried in a courtroom. He paid £12 million to ensure that this wouldn't happen.

this is it in a nutshell. Frustrating but facts.

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As someone who has had a great respect and fondness the Queen, I feel such distaste knowing that she was party to paying off VG.
I believe that would never have happened if there wasn't a substantial case.

Rape is the most shocking of crimes and she was just 17.
That the royal family, the late Queen, head of state of the UK, should be so closely linked to such a sordid cover up is extremely sad.

Whatever the royal family do now is too little too late for many decent people.
They are linked, undeniably shamed, and tarnished by a lying horrid toad of a man.

How William with a young daughter, could stomach to be physically near him, is beyond me.

The King has dubious personal morals himself, so no surprise there at his tolerance and continued fondness for such a snake.

The evidence against PA is basically a photo and a dead women’s “memorial”. Why did VG agree to be bought off by HMQ if she thought she had a case and was so interested in justice. Even if PA has sex with her, what evidence is there that he knew she was trafficked? The rich and famous surround themselves with good time girls. And I am sick of reading on here about PA being a nonce or paedophile when he is no such thing. Predatory, stupid and sex mad,perhaps?

The irrational hatred to PA is something else. Why are people not slagging off Bowie for example who had sex with 14 year old groupies? You can’t say a word against Bowie on here, everyone loves him. Or whatsisname who went out with 13 year old Mandy Smith? He wasn’t arrested.

Sorry, I don’t understand why this doesn’t suggest her case is solid. If her case was baseless, he wouldn’t have paid her anything. As it is, he paid her £12m. TWELVE MILLION. That suggests he thought there was some truth in her case.

I’m sure more will come out about others soon.

But the trafficking laws that say that only came into effect in 2002. Virginia says she had sex with Andrew in London in March 2001. The Met did look into this under Cressida Dick more than once, and the conclusion was that there was no criminal case to answer in the UK, hence no prosecution. Similarly, in the US, they couldn’t make a criminal case. Virginia brought a civil case against him, which as we know was settled with no admission of guilt. But a hefty pay off.
But since other stuff of dubious legality is coming out in the latest emails being released, perhaps they’ll find something where they can make a prosecution stick. We can but hope.

A person who has been trafficked can’t consent. She is not there of her own free will, therefore it is rape regardless of her age.

Gosh, the palace PR are working overtime!

For all those saying Andrew the Corrupt, entitled, teddy bear loving, money grabbing twat didn't do anything illegal as "the sex was consensual ", why then won't he just say that? And why was she paid off if he never met her? I could do with a few quid so maybe I should accuse him of rape? Would I get paid off??

Aren't they just?

Prince Andrew was by no means the only person involved. The other names are documented widely. Why aren't other names of the rich and famous in the headlines? Anyone would think that the focus remains on him for a reason?

It's most probably because of the photograph. I agree though that every single one of them should be held to account.

The Andrew apologists on here really working hard to downplay his actions .

But it is having the opposite effect and making people more angry.
Rather like the Windsors trying to trick the people by saying they are taking Andrew’s titles . More and more people are wising up to the lies

The Andrew apologists on here really working hard to downplay his actions .

They really are. Sickening.

This in abundance

@Praying4Peace
I am glad the Met Police have launched an urgent enquiry into claims that Andrew abetted a police officer to commit a criminal offence of misconduct in public office. Hopefully he will be interviewed under caution. Andrew himself in emails to Ed Perkins (the late Queen's deputy press secretary) stated that he had given VG's social security number and date of birth to his tax payer funded Met Protection Office to dig up dirt on her.

Did he rape her? She looked pretty happy in that infamous picture. Did he know Epstein 'forced' her to have sex with him and other men, I rather doubt it. He's certainly vain enough to think young women would willingly have sex with him. It would have been statutory rape in the US as at 17 she was underage in that state, again I doubt he knew but that's no excuse. The only legal offence I see really is the statutory rape in the US, which I assume would have to be tried in the US.

I thought she was underage in the US, others are saying she wasn't so in that case nothing obviously illegal.

@BadgernTheGarden
Your comments betray your lack of understanding and your attempts to defend Andrew are shameful .

Your points have been repeated by many royal apologists on here and they have been corrected each time

Read the threads if you genuinely want to learn