Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

[OneBadKitty]

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

You should - it is a fantastic series (unless you really cannot cope with the mere sight of trans people going about their daily lives without being singled out and reviled by the community they live in).

It just comes across as a bit odd when women are determined to give away their rights (whether they wish to exercise those rights or not) and the rights of all women so one of the possibilities for people saying such things is that they are men. That’s all.

There are also quite a few people that come onto Mumsnet and pretend to be a woman but their raging misogyny and male levels of entitlement come out eventually.

Quite. The tv representation is quite extensive proportionate to the population. I was also reminded of that series that was a vehicle for trans ‘comedian’ Jordan - the guy who stripped naked on live tv in front of an audience that included kids and played the piano with his penis.

He had a series which just platformed his eye watering misogyny with ‘jokes’ like ‘I’m going to p*ss on her car to teach her a lesson’ when an ‘evil’ co worker objected to him in the ladies toilets. He mimed using his penis like a fire hose. How very ladylike.

Thankfully I think it sank without trace.

Personally the way certain people on MN pounce on anything that looks like acceptance of trans people (and specifically transwomen)'s rights to exist and be visible rather than hiding in a dark room 24/7 looks a little bit odd to me, but to each their own.

Also a fair few men who call themselves women who come on insisting they are women.

How are you so sure? I mean, I've been accused of being a man just because I don't toe the prevailing MN line on trans people and yet I am the owner of two X chromosomes and two biological children...

Plenty of men who want to be women post all over MN and they are often very vocal about it. They pick and choose when to be which gender.

Perhaps you are one of them? There is as much basis for me calling you a man as you have for calling any other poster a man. It is just total nonsense - some people's visceral dislike of trans people seems to have removed all logic and sense.

Maybe I am. One that wants to keep women's issues about women's lives played by women. How very, female?

Well, you can AS me. I've been here since 2010, under the same username except for seasonal or political temporary changes.

They can do whatever they like. If a man wants to play a woman, he can. They did the same in Tudor times. What he can’t do is get upset when everyone points out he is a man.

And amazingly a lot of them have two children…

They did the same in Tudor times
When women weren't allowed on the stage.
Whereas now women are allowed to act, but a man comes along saying he's woman and gets given women's roles.
The Tudor model is not admirable, and we haven't really moved on.

So do lots of actual women...

I have three, but the middle one is a foster.

I know. It really annoys me that men get to take female roles as well, but I’m picking my battles.

If you don't want to watch because of one trans character you will be missing out on so many other issues - Jess and her daughter, Beth and her son and daughter in law plus her brother insisting on Beth looking after their ailing mother so he gets the money, Anne Reid's portrayal of someone sinking into dementia plus some wonderful dialogue. Plus teachers will recognise Beth's stupid headteacher/manager

It has nothing to do with not watching a program with a trans character.

It has everything to do with not having to watch an actor who clearly hates women.

Ah yes, Graham Linehan, that man who notoriously has no axe to grind with trans people.

Graham Linehan isn't the one holding up a sign with "Fuck Terfs" on it.

This is why I decided not to watch it. So fucking sick of the BBC and their trans agenda.
Who is it who works there and pushes these decisions?

I think it is more about prevalence. The BBC think the UK has more trans interest than it does because of the amount of people who are trans that it employs, compared to data showing that is far higher than the average in the population of the UK.

*2018 data: The BBC's director of diversity, Tunde Ogungbesan, stated that 417 employees (almost 2% of the workforce) identified as transgender.

the 2021 Census, which indicated that 262,000 people* (0.5% of the population aged 16 and over in England and Wales) identified as having a gender different from the one registered at birth

A lot like Hebden Bridge, where the drama is set then.

FYI it has three times the UK average proportion of people who identify as queer, bi, gay or trans, at almost 10% of the population.

It’s really not outlandish or unreasonable for a drama set in Hebden Bridge to include an incidentally trans character. No shoe-horning required.

Queer bi or gay are obviously the biggest section of that. No one has any issue with those characters, if they are women, playing women.

This guy is playing a man though, we're clearly meant to recognise him as trans. It's not man taking a female role.