Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

[OneBadKitty]

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

Maybe in the next series he will smash up the venue and get his mates to chant nasty things at everyone going in, as they recently did in Brighton, because they haven't made it all about him?

There's room for realism yet I suppose.

I thought a trans person getting on with her life & being accepted in Hebden Bridge was pretty realistic

Yes, a man who says he’s a woman taking the place of a lesbian sounds pretty true to life.

I think this exact thing actually happened in Hebden Bridge where a lesbian stalwart of the community was banned from a lesbian organisation on the say so of such men. What a coincidence.

So what do males with a trans identity and women have in common that they don’t have with men and females with a trans identity that they would fight for the same things. I think people are annoyed as the male world have no clue about being taken for granted and not noticed. I mean, even now people will listen to a man saying he’s a woman before they’ll listen to a woman saying he’s not.

So if woman has no meaning, how do you know you’re a woman? What references are you using?

I've only seen 2 episodes - does he get into the band later?

Typical BBC shite if so.

Yes. They are real. And that’s fine. They can wear what they like, call themselves what they like as long as they use any facilities relevant to their biological sex.

And not be in any TV programmes?

Woman is not an identity, it’s a sex.

You have already lost your word to define yourself as a woman and have had to change it to “woman (not trans)” - to differentiate yourself from the men who also want to use the word woman.

If you refer to a man as ‘she’ then you make it almost impossible to explain why ‘she’ can’t use the ladies toilets, or become part of a band for menopausal women*. Because then you have to start breaking women down into our health conditions or body parts. And that’s rather dehumanising.

*If a younger woman joined the band of menopausal women that would still work as she has menopause as an inevitable future situation.

Of course they can be in tv programmes, just not shoehorned in as if they were actual women, or vice versa (and preferably clearly advertised because I am not interested in watching those people).

I’m sure there is some genre somewhere where they would shine.

Probably and naff attempt at being woke, sorry progressive. These people never learn.

Fair enough, I didn't find it shoehorned it in in this show.

They clearly didn't understand the rage part of the menopausal target audience!

I honestly think the majority of people don't hate transpeople as much as a group of mumsnetters, to the extent they cannot cope with them being on TV at all.

I don't think you've been reading what people have been saying.
We just don't want them pretending to be women on a show that has no relevance to them whatsoever. There is no need and it adds nothing but increasing anger that they get a place in a show that could have a woman portraying an actual female experience.

They've been losing a lot of goodwill from all sections of society because of their pushy, violent and very public behaviours - it's not just MN.

Internet: Mumsnet can’t get any more transphobic than it is already

This thread: hold my beer

Men: Women all think a certain way so I'll go on a website designed for them and tell them what they think without reading it.
This thread: not transphobic.

Duh… I’m female, have read it, have been here over a decade, and m not telling anyone what they think.

Trashing this show for featuring a transwoman character played by a transwoman is plain prejudice and deserves to be called out.

So if I don't align with the trans hatred of certain mumsnetters, I must be a man? Oh well, I've been called worse

For the people who clearly haven't read the thread.

BBC isn't it?
Still trying to force feed the narrative that men are "just normal women".

I didn’t know that it was settled that it was supposed to be a trans character? No one has mentioned a ‘coming out’ scene where it is explained who he is and why he’s there?

Or did the programme writers realise that he was so obviously a man presenting as a woman, there was no need?

It’s not hatred to object to a man playing a female part.

If they wanted a trans character many PPs in this thread have clearly said they wouldn’t object to a woman who identified as a man (although it would still be a bit weird because quite frankly, the claim that people can change sex is). It’s not obvious afaik that this was even supposed to be a trans character though.

Well, having skimmed through this thread I am now definitely going to watch this.

I've been called a man too. If you don't fall in line with the narrative, you must be a man. Meh.