Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

[OneBadKitty]

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

What? Wearing a dress in every shot and literally joining an "all female band"?

He's a trans woman (a man). This was not hard to spot despite the dress.

Yes, very clear, I was getting confused there was some sort of attempt at double bluff going on for a moment!

Where has this poster said they're a man? 🙄

Well, aren't you a delight. 🙄

My iPlayer has Riot Women paused at the point in episide 1 where the trans person appears like scoring on a bingo card. It wasn't only that which made me dip out - I was also wondering if I could stand to watch Lorraine Ashbourne do her thing yet again, as the outspoken matriarch of the busy houseful of implausibly diverse people.

It felt like something Russel T Davies has already done and I've had enough of him. Enjoyed most of SW's other women-centred dramas, I hope she isn't running out of steam.

I just felt a bit ffs about a transwoman's role in a women's drama. Thinking about it, the issue isn't so much a TW being represented, it's when the person is represented as a woman, where the characters are pretending it's all lassies together, rather than a transwoman.

All the TW I've seen represented in TV dramas have been unrealistic rainbow folk, people's reactions also unrealistic. No-one seems interested in writing a trans character who has poor mental health, doesn't 'pass' and is confronted with not being able to actually live as the opposite sex and that not in fact being society's fault.

In fairness I should watch the rest of the series to see how this actually turns out.

No one in the TV programme has done that. So by your own judgement there's no problem here.

Implausibly diverse? What does that even mean and anyway this is hebden bridge which is very diverse. Is it ok for flag waving racist thugs to be represented, or bent coppers? I object to them but it doesn’t stop me watching because it’s good drama. Why would people reacting normally to trans person be unrealistic?

Implausibly diverse within a single household, in certain types of TV stories, and adverts, it's boring shorthand.

I think it's fine for flag-waving racists or bent coppers to feature in TV stories, why wouldn't it be?

The unrealism of character reactions to transpeople in every TV representation I've seen is that no-one talks about the trans-ness with the trans person not there. Which they absolutely do, in the much rarer instances they are met IRL.

Even in Hebden.

I never said there was a problem. I don’t care if men want to dress up as women and act. I mean, why not get an actual woman to play a woman’s role , but I’m sure the producers had their reasons. I’m sure they weren’t suggesting in any way that a man can do a better job of acting a woman’s role than a woman could,

You'll get used to that on here 😁 you automatically get called a man if you don't "group woman think" (whatever the hell that is lol)

Same

I'm not bothered by this. Wouldn't want to miss out on a good programme over something like this. You can't control everything and there will always be some things you don't agree with in programmes because the scriptwriters dont know your algorithms and what enrages you.

Maybe try AI scriptwriting if you want TV programmes tailored exactly to your preferences?

Personally I find it refreshing to see a trans actor playing a trans woman in a drama, and not being the subject of drama and comment.

Her character is someone who is clearly comfortable in her family and community, getting on with life.

Hurray for that, I say.

I’m as suburban and boring as they come, but there’s plenty of diversity in my life. I’m mixed race (& according to this thread we’re not supposed to be represented either). In my immediate circle of family, friends and workmates, many of your so-called tick boxes are represented and, shock horror, I’m

not even in Hebden
not even close

I have a childhood friend who is trans and in our large and close knit circle friends, we don’t feel the need to talk about it because we’ve been in each others lives for decades, through the highs the lows and the overwhelmingly bloody normal.

I’m talking from my own lived experience, what are you talking from ?

I think it's fine for trans women to feature in TV stories, why wouldn't it be? The inclusion of Miranda (yes let’s use their name) is not about her, but tells us something about the main characters in their interactions with her. And it makes me like them more. You might disagree, but that’s ok with me.

Normal tolerance and kindness is what keeps the world on an even keel. This thread is deeply disturbing and at some points bordering on hate speech (that’s a general point, not aimed at you).

The objection to a transwoman being portrayed as a functional human being reminds me of the bad old days when any same sex relationship in the media also had to be portrayed as miserable and dysfunctional. It's exactly the same judgemental attitude.

This thread is deeply disturbing and at some points bordering on hate speech

This! I love the way that a subset of the GC on Mumsnet love to say 'I don't hate transwomen but [insert hateful comment here].

If you hate transwomen, own it.

I thought it's a decent series, wouldn't be in my top 10 but definitely worth a watch.

The idea that it's automatically shit because there's a trans person in it or that trans people shouldn't be on TV at all (as suggested by more than one poster on this thread) is just out and out transphobia. That's not robust GC discussion at all, it's just hate.

The inclusion of Miranda (yes let’s use their name) is not about her, but tells us something about the main characters in their interactions with her. And it makes me like them more

Yes. Exactly this.

The unrealism of character reactions to transpeople in every TV representation I've seen is that no-one talks about the trans-ness with the trans person not there. Which they absolutely do, in the much rarer instances they are met IRL.

Miranda is a character who is settled in her own family, in her own community, interacting with people she knows. Why would the scriprwriter include random dialogue of people talking about her 'trans-ness'? Should we also have to listen to random dialogue about people's disabilities, skin-colour and sexuality?

I have no objection to men and male experience being featured on TV drama, and the "transwoman experience" is clearly part of the spectrum of adult male experience, however much a minority of men they may be in real life.

But I think it's clear that the objections raised in relation to this particular series is that it's supposed to be focusing on women's experience, but the uniquely male experience of being a "transwoman" is being portrayed as part of women's experience - it's contributing to the maintenance of the TWAW delusion that forms the main target of the GC/sex realist critique of trans ideology.

So sorry TRAs, our criticism really isn't fuelled by "hate", it's fuelled by the need to continue shining a harsh rational light on your attempts to deceive people.

@BeanQuisine In the drama, the main female characters welcome Miranda as a woman. That is in character for them, because they are trans-inclusive.

And I am very glad of it.

And this is why this series is a perfectly legitimate target for criticism from a GC/sex realist perspective.

You're free to welcome men as women, and to be very glad of it, but you can expect that such contradictions will be criticised by people who value science and reason, and who believe there are crucial ethical reasons to maintain and defend women's sex-based rights.

Exactly, and shit like the "thanks for the warning" 🙄
I mean, come on.