Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

[OneBadKitty]

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

There’s a trans woman in Frauds. Also a great show. Oh no, what can a mumsnetter watch these days!

Never heard of it but thanks for the warning. BBC I assume?

"the warning" 🙄😂

It's the BBC. Of course there's a man cos playing a woman in it.

Well no, I don't think doing womanface for any reason is appropriate. Taking women's identies as your own is not OK. It demonstrates a complete shallowness of comprehension of what makes women women. It's deeply misogynistic to believe growing your hair and whacking in some silicon tits is effectively enough to make you a woman.

I don't think blackface should be on TV either. I don't care how much someone might believe they are meant to be black, artificially trying to achieve it is wrong.

Taking women's identies as your own is not OK

See, I'm a woman (not trans) and this is just complete nonsense to me. My identity is mine. I'm me. Someone else's identity is nothing to do with me, they're not taking my identity. I'm me.

No not BBC.

I get the concerns over women’s sport, changing rooms and so on but when you can’t bear to set eyes on a trans person on your TV, I think that’s something else.

We don’t know if Sally Wainwright was obliged to write in a trans character or if that was something she wanted to do. We don’t know if that character was even written as trans or not.

but Trans people exist in the world, so why wouldn’t they be included as part of the world these characters are in? It didn’t make a huge difference to the story.

And it’s not just a show about menopause, there is so much more to it. Don’t do SW a disservice by trivialising the content.

Genuinely curious on where we stand with Pantomime now… is a Pantomime Dame also an insult to my womanhood?

As I said in my last post, if they wanted to shoehorn in trans it would have been better to have someone female, who identified as a man, and the effect the menopause would have had on that person, considering they would have to go through it, pesky biology being what it is.

But - they didn't have to shoehorn in trans at all. I've not watched it but from what I understand it's not a major character. It made no difference to the program, so why do it? And why a man? They don't shoehorn in someone trans in every bbc drama going, so why a trans identified man in a programme specifically about women going through the menopause, a uniquely female experience that no man ever in the whole world will go through?

Women aren't stupid, we know why. A little reminder from Auntie beeb that we aren't allowed to have a program about women and the female experience without including a man who has womanly feelings, whatever the hell that means.

If there's a season 2 I'm taking odds there will be an episode where he gets misgendered, or a nasty woman will get him removed from a single sex space. He'll be massively distraught, the rest of the cast will wipe away his tears (in the ladies, natch), he'll be inspired to write a song and will get to perform it. In the spotlight, centre of attention, where he'll be super validated by all the fawning ladies calling him their sister or the like, and will therefore feel like the most womanly woman who ever womaned; even more womanly than the menopausal ones. Maybe the nasty bitter bigot lady will be seen leaving in a defeated strop, who knows!

Exactly. Ironic that televisikn TW never seem to want to spend their time wearing zilch make up, hair scraped back and running errands in an old sweatshirt, plain leggings and a pair of Skechers (you know, how millions of actual women do, every day). Nope, they have to festishize it, dressing like a bloody Stepford Wife in dresses, heels, swishy hair and elaborate make up. For shopping in Asda on a wet Tuesday afternoon.

And what might that reason be?

I think the poster is referring to the amount of violence women receive physically and verbally from Trans identifying males.

I agree. There was no 'back story' for Miranda, in the same way that there was no back story for Kam, Nisha's sister who was the other backing singer. They are both very minor roles.

Lots of GC women will say that they don't hate trans people, they are just concerned about women's safety, but refusing to watch a TV programme because a trans woman has a tiny role seems quite extreme to me.

It's a TV show that's supposed to be about a specifically female experience, which has shoe-horned in a male character, who were expected to pretend has a legitimately female pov.

If you can't see the issue with that then 🤦‍♀️

However I'm not watching it because it looks shite, not because of that particular character specifically.

'so very concerned'?
Or 'asking a question on a forum in a moment of spare time'?

Also a bit disappointed that you didn't answer my question on why you seem to suggest that I think this character is the ‘devil’, ‘bogeyman’ etc.

For some people on here, I think, and certainly for me, the issue is not that we 'can’t bear to set eyes on a trans person on [your] TV' – which is quite an accusation – it's is there a trans woman playing a role where the other characters and we the viewer are expected to believe/accept that they are a woman. For me the issue is that if that's the case, then a woman has been denied the chance to play that role because a man has been given it instead.

It was completely irrelevant to the storyline and just a distraction for me. An annoying one because I kept thinking "of course they have to have a man muscle in" and he added nothing to the plot.

I thought it was good but yes, it grated to have a man replace the lesbian, there was no need to have done that. Typical of the BBC . The other main male characters were written well but that one was just unnecessary

As was the pandering pronoun stuff.