Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

[OneBadKitty]

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

Genuine question: what do anti trans people think about people born intersex? Do they find them unacceptable too?

Genuine question - what do you think a medical condition of DSD has got to do with self declared ‘identities’?

You’ve completely and utterly misunderstood what the programme was all about. I quote: “Menopausal women singing about HRT and other issues”… You couldn’t have trivialised it further if you’d tried.

For me, and I would presume the majority of viewers, the main themes (in no particular order) were friendship, suicide, workplace bullying, misogyny, aging, relationships with parents, the power of music… Need I go on?

Which of these themes do you feel
doesn’t apply to the trans community? This is a genuine question; I’m not trying to be incendiary.

As has been pointed out upthread, you’ve not taken umbrage at the inclusion of younger members of the band; why the obsession with this particular person?

You’ve focussed on one lyric of one song… Is it very important to you that the backing dancers/singers have experienced what they’re singing about?! I mean, they originally planned to sing ABBA’s Waterloo… I’m assuming your issue with that would have been the fact none of them actually fought in that war..?!

So you would accept a minstrel in a show about the slave trade I guess?
A disabled band with a completely non-disabled person pretending to be disabled? No?
Would it work with any other characteristic? No.
So stop shoving it in women's faces.

Agree 100%

Trans women are though, and given that places like mumsnet spend an inordinate about of time spreading hate and vitriol about that 0.5% of the population (btw it’s weird how trans men are never accused of being sick and twisted fetishists who ‘have a sexual desire to dress up in men’s clothes’ isn’t it?), it’s probably quite important to see representation of someone who just seems like someone pretty normal and getting on with their life, you know, like the vast majority of us are allowed to do.

How do you know the character wasn’t written as trans?

https://terfisaslur.com/ is a website collating trans-identifying men's feelings about biological women. Let me know if there's equal hostility from trans-identifying females towards so-called cis women.

It is being widely marketed as being a ‘menopausal punk drama’

And IMDB sums it up as:

Follows a group of middle-aged women, as they form a punk-rock band to participate in a talent contest.

So I’d say PPs summary is entirely fair. It’s about a female band. Including an unnecessary man is ‘not in the spirit’ of that.

Employing a man to play a woman is also not in the spirit of an empowering women’s drama. The very opposite in fact.

Gosh… hate breeds hate? Colour me shocked.

Are you suggesting that women are to blame for the hate and violence from trans-identifying men?

Trans women are though - nope. They are men. That actor is clearly a man.

btw it’s weird how trans men are never accused of being sick and twisted fetishists who ‘have a sexual desire to dress up in men’s clothes’. Yes, funny that. Maybe it’s because they don’t post on social media demonstrating that behaviour?

it’s probably quite important to see representation of someone who just seems like someone pretty normal. It’s actually quite important to see women being represented by women, not men.

I’m saying that any group, regardless of gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion or any other characteristic, that threatens the right to existence of another group, should probably anticipate resistance, anger and hate from that group back. its not rocket science.

Nobody is threatening trans rights to exist, women object merely to trans-identifying men infringing upon women's private spaces. We do not want biological men in our changing rooms, in our sports, etc. The reaction to this reasonable objection has been a violent spew of hate by trans-identifying male activists. It is not acceptable.

Weird that you frame women wanting our own words and spaces as threatening another group’s ‘right to existence’.

Nobody is saying these people don’t exist, we are just saying that men cannot exist as women, by definition.

It is the trans lobby that have tried to legally redefine women out of existence as a sex class but strangely there is no violence, threats or window smashing coming from us towards the trans lobby. We have just asked for men who call themselves women to leave us alone but they won’t.

What led me to think about it was wondering what sex Macy Seelochan had been born. That led me to think that even if someone starts their life living as one sex, we don't know whether they were born intersex, with the desire to change sex being driven by chromosomal/hormone factors later in life. And that led me to wonder whether anti trans people are ok with that. Are you?

I was responding to a lack of representation of trans women in the media, you misread.

the main cast of Riot Women are cis women. The writer is a woman. The majority of the crew were female. They’ve done a great job at female representation, as Sally Wainwright is known for doing.

so weird how you’re not in any way angry about men being cast as supporting actors, even though men are the perpetrators of 80% of violent crime, and 99% of rape convictions.

the show literally shows a female police officer being attacked, nearly killed, and sexually assaulted by a male colleague, but there’s angry threads dedicated to hating on the existence of a trans kid? Get a grip.

But I thought the whole gender critical movement was about women's safety, not erasure of transpeople.

Well said.

Women have a variety of potential attackers. Almost exclusively biologically male. It doesn't much matter if they pretend to be female.

So called ‘intersex’ people don’t change sex at any point in their lives. They generally don’t even have a ‘gender identity’ as they are not trans. Their medical condition has been appropriated by the trans community.

In very rare situations in countries with poor quality healthcare there may be an assumption that a child is female at birth but then that child goes through male puberty because they are actually male with abnormalities to their genitalia, like Imane Khelif. That is not changing sex.

I believe that in this even smaller minority of a minority section (most DSDs do not give any visual ambiguity on the sex of a person) situation the person should be offered counselling to come to terms with their medical condition.

These are sweeping statements and not true. Look at Ewan Forbes’ story. He was supported by his mum in his transition in the early 1900s, and legal gender recognition was an accepted practice then.

intersex people (no need for the ‘so called’!) are pretty common- apparently as common as red haired people.

Only a biological man would make this comment.

Men who identify as trans can have their own representation in the media (and there is plenty if it everywhere) - they can’t have women’s representation as well.

so weird how you’re not in any way angry about men being cast as supporting actors, even though men are the perpetrators of 80% of violent crime, and 99% of rape convictions.

This comment is getting really weird - why are you bringing up male crime in relation to casting on a womens menopausal drama?

I shouldn’t give away too many plot spoilers btw, it’s not fair on anyone who hasn’t caught up.

Your user name describes you exactly.