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Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

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OneBadKitty · 18/10/2025 19:59

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

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Iwanttoliveinagardencentre · 18/10/2025 21:49

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/10/2025 20:59

The young Asian sisters and the main singer aren’t menopausal either, why aren’t you clutching your pearls about them?

Because they are women who will have a menopause.
Nice internalised misogyny with the pearl clutching comment too.

frecklejuice · 18/10/2025 21:49

A trans person should play a trans person, why do we have to replace a woman with a trans person? They aren’t women and don’t go through the problems we do.

Gentlydoesit2 · 18/10/2025 21:51

TheKeeperofBooks · 18/10/2025 21:33

How is that in any way a bigoted statement ?

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

HeadNorth · 18/10/2025 21:52

I loved it and enjoyed the inclusion of a trans woman- which is pretty realistic for Hebden Bridge

NellieElephantine · 18/10/2025 21:53

Arrrrrrragghhh · 18/10/2025 20:51

Trans people on TV as trans people. They have their issues.
A trans woman doesn’t have any women’s issues given they are male.

This wanting to have a working uyteryus doest seems to og!

RogueFemale · 18/10/2025 21:54

Iwanttoliveinagardencentre · 18/10/2025 21:28

Numerous comments about this issue on the telly addicts board.

BBC just had to force in a bloke in a frock.

Shame on all involved for giving in to it.

The irony of this considering title of the programme and the band!

It was utterly insulting to see him stood there singing about issues which ONLY affect women in a supposedly all female band with apparently nobody at all thinking this was in any way inappropriate at best or ridiculing and misogynistic at worst.

Can you imagine the outcry (quite rightly) if a white person was in a drama all about black or asian people made up to look dark skinned and appropriating issues which were not theirs?

That would never happen because the BBC can see that is wrong but they are entirely captured when it comes to ignoring women.

It isn’t enough that men rape us, beat us, murder us in enormous numbers.

They now want to own our trauma.

They want to consume us by being us.

The trans activists go on about their existence being denied when in fact that is exactly what they are doing to women.

Totally agree

LeanToWhatToDo · 18/10/2025 21:56

I reckon the BBC did it because we are the ones who they don't think they should have to have a show for, so they knew adding this would annoy us the most.

Shelaydownunderthetable · 18/10/2025 21:59

I can’t wait to watch it - even more so now that I know it’s inclusive.

LeanToWhatToDo · 18/10/2025 22:01

😂token BBC bot
There you go ladies, maybe the 0.01% of the population that are trans will make the show a hit for us and get a BAFTA for it.

MyDogLikesKayaking · 18/10/2025 22:04

It’s the BBC! Of course it’s got a trans in it.

Mishamotto · 18/10/2025 22:06

There is a scene where Nisha is sat on the wall outside her house in recovery, and Holly is trying to convince her to perform, and she says something like ‘you don’t need me you have Miranda’ and Holly says something like ‘ffs! Miranda!’ and that I thought would have been a great moment for elaboration but instead she just murmurs something about having three backing singers. It would have been good to acknowledge at this point that some women of this age range feel the threat of men in women’s spaces but as this is the bbc, no chances .

TheKeeperofBooks · 18/10/2025 22:06

Shelaydownunderthetable · 18/10/2025 21:59

I can’t wait to watch it - even more so now that I know it’s inclusive.

Sure

BundleBoogie · 18/10/2025 22:08

It’s a bit sad that the casting team couldn’t find a woman to play a woman’s part.

The premise of the programme sounded great but why they have they cast a man that doesn’t even look like a woman? It’s sn insult to all the female actors out there who would have loved that job. It’s not like men are underrepresented in tv.

RogueFemale · 18/10/2025 22:10

Gentlydoesit2 · 18/10/2025 21:51

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

There is nothing obstinate or unreasonable in believing that sex is immutable and that sex matters. Indeed, it is legally established as a protected belief.

NotnowMavis · 18/10/2025 22:10

I’ve stopped watching after two and a half episodes. It was all too bleeding obvious I’m afraid. I was soooo looking forward to it; Happy Valley and Last Tango were great, and To Walk Invisible was genius. But this is pretty dire, and the shoehorned in trans character was the last straw.

BundleBoogie · 18/10/2025 22:12

Shelaydownunderthetable · 18/10/2025 21:59

I can’t wait to watch it - even more so now that I know it’s inclusive.

Except that replacing a woman with a male actor is anything but inclusive.

It’s a bit medieval tbh, you know, when women were replaced by men on stage.

BeanQuisine · 18/10/2025 22:12

There's likely to be quite a bit of this yet to run its course in popular culture, which tends to be behind the times in many ways. But I expect before too long people will be looking back in embarrassment, or pointing and laughing.

There's a "non-binary" character in a novel I'm reading at the moment, clearly only there because the writer wanted to seem "contemporary", but it already seems cringeworthy and dated. I speed-read through those silly sections and it doesn't detract too much from the rest of the story.

DoinFineIThink · 18/10/2025 22:13

Cheeringmeup · 18/10/2025 20:16

I watched the first episode and am not particularly engaged, but will give it a chance. The trans woman actor is not 'in the band', she's one of the band member's child, so I have no problem with that.

So completely misleading and rage bait as usual on here to get people frothing then. 🙄
As usual

LeanToWhatToDo · 18/10/2025 22:13

Will likely get Best Actress at the BAFTAS too.
Is it also true the score was all written by a man, not a single song written by a woman?

DoinFineIThink · 18/10/2025 22:14

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Why?

TheKeeperofBooks · 18/10/2025 22:14

BeanQuisine · 18/10/2025 22:12

There's likely to be quite a bit of this yet to run its course in popular culture, which tends to be behind the times in many ways. But I expect before too long people will be looking back in embarrassment, or pointing and laughing.

There's a "non-binary" character in a novel I'm reading at the moment, clearly only there because the writer wanted to seem "contemporary", but it already seems cringeworthy and dated. I speed-read through those silly sections and it doesn't detract too much from the rest of the story.

May I ask which novel please?

BundleBoogie · 18/10/2025 22:15

Gentlydoesit2 · 18/10/2025 21:51

Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

That sounds like trans activism in a nutshell.

Clinging desperately to a series of falsehoods bolstered by bullying and manipulation, mainly of women.

BeanQuisine · 18/10/2025 22:20

TheKeeperofBooks · 18/10/2025 22:14

May I ask which novel please?

Just a crime novel, Death at the White Hart by Chris Chibnall.

BundleBoogie · 18/10/2025 22:20

DoinFineIThink · 18/10/2025 22:14

Why?

The programme is not showing representation of trans people, it is using a man to represent a woman.

RogueFemale · 18/10/2025 22:21

BundleBoogie · 18/10/2025 22:15

That sounds like trans activism in a nutshell.

Clinging desperately to a series of falsehoods bolstered by bullying and manipulation, mainly of women.

Yes, as I said above, there is nothing obstinate or unreasonable in believing that sex is immutable and that sex matters. It is legally established as a protected belief. It is worth repeating because the all the trans activists do is keep shouting 'bigot'.

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