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SunnySideDeepDown · 16/10/2025 20:19

WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans will not be allowed to attend Aston Villa match amid safety concerns

Police say the decision is based partly on what happened in Amsterdam last year, when Israeli fans attending a match against Ajax were targets of antisemitic attacks.

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 00:39

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:36

Get a bloody grip. No one is saying that Jews shouldn't exist. If you think they are then you are either so consumed with hate that you see it everywhere or your comprehension skills leave something to be desired.

Think you should actually read what that poster wrote to a Jewish person who is posting because she feels alienated.
Please I ask you to read what she actually wrote to her because I was disgusted to read her commenting that to someone who wants to flee to Israel and yet that poster is writing as if Israel should not exist.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 00:41

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 00:27

Ah, so you’re saying Jews aren’t welcome anywhere? I think you’re over estimating sympathy for the Palestinians. The Jews in this country are peaceful, and go about their lives in a very dignified way, despite the marches that go on every Saturday in London attempting to intimidate them. Unlike some other communities who have settled here. Let’s be honest here, if Muslims were taken out of the equation, the marches would probably consist of a few hundred people. So I think we can safely say that support for the Palestinians isn’t big amongst most of us.

This.

CrossChecking · 17/10/2025 00:42

Firealarm1414 · 17/10/2025 00:36

You think openly jewish aston villa fans wouldnt face any hostility? They absolutely would. I'd imagine you couldn't wear a kippah in many parts of Birmingham without harassment

I have no idea, are there incidents of Jewish football fans of British teams facing hostility at football matches?

Do you think that British Arabs or Black British people would all feel safe surrounded by crowds of people who make monkey noises and chant 'Death to Arabs'? Has anyone considered their feelings on this, surely British people should be prioritised over foreign football fans? Has anyone even thought to ask them?

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 00:46

CrossChecking · 17/10/2025 00:34

I dont get your point to be honest? Because fans who make monkey noises at black people and laugh at killed children usually attend they should always be allowed to attend and that's why people are so put out that this year they aren't? Things should never change, everything should always stay the same and people are fighting so hard for people who make monkey noises at black people and laugh at killed children to attend a football match because change is bad?

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My point is that people are being obtuse and suggesting the reason for the ban is based solely on their past behaviour at matches. It isn’t. I would have agreed with their stance if that was the case. The reason for the ban is down to interference from the Mayor and certain communities in Birmingham who are demanding a ban based on the team being from Israel. It’s antisemitism disguised as faux concern for the wellbeing of communities in Birmingham. Simple as that really.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:46

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 00:39

Think you should actually read what that poster wrote to a Jewish person who is posting because she feels alienated.
Please I ask you to read what she actually wrote to her because I was disgusted to read her commenting that to someone who wants to flee to Israel and yet that poster is writing as if Israel should not exist.

I did.
I stand by my comments
Get a bloody grip.

ChessorBuckaroo · 17/10/2025 00:46

The parallels between the two settler states, the white settler entity america, and the Jewish settler entity Israel.

The Palestinians on avoiding the fate handed to the Native americans, "We will not go into the museumWe are not the Red Indians”,

https://www.antagolist.com/p/we-will-not-go-into-the-museum

"The American settler-colonial model has served as a blueprint for other colonial powers. Its unprecedented success in establishing a settler society while marginalizing Indigenous populations is unmatched in scale. Now, Israel, in a cynical attempt to avoid scrutiny, argues that if America could do it, why can’t they?

We’ve now witnessed 14 months of the first live-streamed genocide unfolding before our eyes, as state-sponsored terror and murder reach unprecedented levels. Meanwhile, our Western governments and their propagandists lie, fund, support, and justify these atrocities. The history told by the West, from its very beginning, is a series of distorted, whitewashed, and romanticized lies.

For many Native Americans, Thanksgiving marks the beginning of their oppression, the loss of their land, and the erasure of their culture.

Witnessing a live-streamed genocide for over a year, with daily massacres landing on your phone as soon as you open your eyes in the morning, and the reality that America's past violence mirrors what Israel is currently attempting, makes Thanksgiving and its associated history feel even more nauseating to participate in.

I saw Native Americans at every anti-genocide protest I attended. I’ve seen pictures of them standing in solidarity, in other cities across America. There is a unique bond between Native Americans and Indigenous Palestinians. They understand the pain of cultural erasure, having witnessed it firsthand, while the same attempt is now being made against Palestinians. The parallels are unavoidable, especially since the erasure of Native Americans succeeded, whereas, for 76 years, Palestinians miraculously have resisted being erased:

"We are not Red Indians."

In his last interview before he died in 2004, while in a state of near confinement and exhaustion, Yasser Afarfat reflected upon his incapacity to move without the immediate threat of assassination, about the Palestinian right of return, about American elections, and his achievements. Among these achievements was the fact that "the Palestine case was the biggest problem in the world" and that Israel had "failed to wipe us out."

As a final mark of that success, he added the declarative, comparative, and final point of distinction: "We are not Red Indians."

We Will Not Go Into the Museum

If wars can be started by lies, peace can be started by the truth. The Thanksgiving series.

https://www.antagolist.com/p/we-will-not-go-into-the-museum

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 00:47

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:38

Btw, I don't care if a state is made up of Muslims, Atheists, Jews or those that worship the spaghetti gods. Most of us that are concerned feel the same. It's not about religion but equality and humanity. Genocide is a never crime. No one is above that, and no one's past justifies that. Again, a never crime. Never justifiable. Those of us concerned about Israel's actions share those concerns with the UN, Amnesty international, MSF, Save the Children, the Red Cross etc. When such a collection of organisations speak with one mind about their concerns, it's probably because they are on the right side of history.

So what do you have to say about the explicit aims of Hamas being the extermination of all Jews, the whole reason for the existence of Hamas.

CrossChecking · 17/10/2025 00:51

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 00:46

My point is that people are being obtuse and suggesting the reason for the ban is based solely on their past behaviour at matches. It isn’t. I would have agreed with their stance if that was the case. The reason for the ban is down to interference from the Mayor and certain communities in Birmingham who are demanding a ban based on the team being from Israel. It’s antisemitism disguised as faux concern for the wellbeing of communities in Birmingham. Simple as that really.

So people are fighting so hard for racists because they don't believe it's because they are racists that they are banned? Sorry I still don't understand why people care so much that crowds of racists won't be on the streets, it seems like a win to me.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:51

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 00:46

My point is that people are being obtuse and suggesting the reason for the ban is based solely on their past behaviour at matches. It isn’t. I would have agreed with their stance if that was the case. The reason for the ban is down to interference from the Mayor and certain communities in Birmingham who are demanding a ban based on the team being from Israel. It’s antisemitism disguised as faux concern for the wellbeing of communities in Birmingham. Simple as that really.

Even if it was straight up 'we are banning the team because they are from Israel and we are boycotting Israel because of their actions', that's not anti Semitic.

It's how boycotts work. They put reputational, social and economic pressure on a country so that they government stops whatever it is the boycott relates to. In this case, the appalling continued treatment of Palestinians.

Israel doesn't get a free pass on this any more than anywhere else under boycott.

But that's not the reason the fans are banned. It's because they have a reputation for violence and racism causing issues elsewhere. Similar bans have happened in the past. Israel again doesn't get a free pass.

Ablondiebutagoody · 17/10/2025 00:51

CrossChecking · 17/10/2025 00:42

I have no idea, are there incidents of Jewish football fans of British teams facing hostility at football matches?

Do you think that British Arabs or Black British people would all feel safe surrounded by crowds of people who make monkey noises and chant 'Death to Arabs'? Has anyone considered their feelings on this, surely British people should be prioritised over foreign football fans? Has anyone even thought to ask them?

Jewish people in the UK have learned not to be openly Jewish so would probably be OK. In any case, it's not the match or the other fans that's the problem. It's the mob stalking the city looking for them.

In Amsterdam the Macabi fans were allowed to leave the stadium at the same time as the Ajax fans (which is unusual) so that they could blend into the crowd and hopefully avoid the Jew hunt going on outside.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 00:51

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:46

I did.
I stand by my comments
Get a bloody grip.

You really don’t care how Jewish people are treated in this country or any country do you.
Think it’s you that needs to have a think on how you are coming across and give your head a little shake.
I also stand by my comments and you should get a grip.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:52

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 00:47

So what do you have to say about the explicit aims of Hamas being the extermination of all Jews, the whole reason for the existence of Hamas.

Sigh, this isn't their aim. It's a myth that's been done to death in this site.

CrossChecking · 17/10/2025 00:53

Ablondiebutagoody · 17/10/2025 00:51

Jewish people in the UK have learned not to be openly Jewish so would probably be OK. In any case, it's not the match or the other fans that's the problem. It's the mob stalking the city looking for them.

In Amsterdam the Macabi fans were allowed to leave the stadium at the same time as the Ajax fans (which is unusual) so that they could blend into the crowd and hopefully avoid the Jew hunt going on outside.

You don't think people making monkey noises at black people, chanting death to Arabs and laughing at 1000s of dead children are a problem?

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 00:54

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:36

Get a bloody grip. No one is saying that Jews shouldn't exist. If you think they are then you are either so consumed with hate that you see it everywhere or your comprehension skills leave something to be desired.

Did you actually read Chessorbuckaroo’s comment? They literally implied that the poster who was Jewish who said she had thought about leaving the UK due to antisemitism would not be welcome anywhere, because she’s a Jew. Totally untrue btw, but hey, lies and mis-information trip off an anti semite’s tongue so easily….

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:55

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 00:51

You really don’t care how Jewish people are treated in this country or any country do you.
Think it’s you that needs to have a think on how you are coming across and give your head a little shake.
I also stand by my comments and you should get a grip.

I don't care how genocide supporters feel, irrespective of their background.

Equally I have no issue with anyone that doesn't support genocide. Someone's religion and ethnicity is irrelevant to me.

If you really want to equate being a supporter of genocide with Judaism then you're the one that needs to look at yourself. Those things aren't linked and shouldn't be linked.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:56

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 00:54

Did you actually read Chessorbuckaroo’s comment? They literally implied that the poster who was Jewish who said she had thought about leaving the UK due to antisemitism would not be welcome anywhere, because she’s a Jew. Totally untrue btw, but hey, lies and mis-information trip off an anti semite’s tongue so easily….

No that's not what she said. Again, comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point here.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 17/10/2025 00:59

I’m 100% behind fans being banned if they’re the ones causing a danger. FIFA and uefa have a long history of doing this. I’d back them to the hilt if that were the case. But it isn’t. Our UK security services have said no to away fans because we cannot guarantee their safety in light of expected protests. The only acceptable solution is no fans at all. If Birmingham people cannot help attacking opposition football fans then the local fans should be banned too.

vivainsomnia · 17/10/2025 00:59

The reason for the ban is down to interference from the Mayor and certain communities in Birmingham who are demanding a ban based on the team being from Israel
Do tou have inside information that we are all missing? How do you know this as a fact rather than a biased statement?

Ablondiebutagoody · 17/10/2025 01:00

CrossChecking · 17/10/2025 00:53

You don't think people making monkey noises at black people, chanting death to Arabs and laughing at 1000s of dead children are a problem?

It is a problem and still happens fairly often at football matches. Usually, the police target and remove the specific individuals doing that stuff. If its widespread enough amongst the fans of a particular club, UEFA will step in, issue fines and make the club play behind closed doors.

But that isn't the reason given for this ban. The reason is that the police refuse to face down the antisemites.

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 01:03

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:51

Even if it was straight up 'we are banning the team because they are from Israel and we are boycotting Israel because of their actions', that's not anti Semitic.

It's how boycotts work. They put reputational, social and economic pressure on a country so that they government stops whatever it is the boycott relates to. In this case, the appalling continued treatment of Palestinians.

Israel doesn't get a free pass on this any more than anywhere else under boycott.

But that's not the reason the fans are banned. It's because they have a reputation for violence and racism causing issues elsewhere. Similar bans have happened in the past. Israel again doesn't get a free pass.

Did you miss there’s been a cease fire in place for the last four days, and a peace deal reached? Nothing for you to fight for on behalf of the Palestinians now. Normal service can now be resumed. The Palestinians can continue to live under the delightful Hamas regime, where I’m sure they’ll be treated with dignity and respect. People should now be able to go about their lives in London on a weekend without having anti semitic abuse shouted at them, or flags and inappropriate banners waved everywhere. And for that we should all be truly thankful….

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 17/10/2025 01:04

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:52

Sigh, this isn't their aim. It's a myth that's been done to death in this site.

Now you really are talking out of your backside.
Myth…..to deny reality.
Done to death on this site.You mean posting of anti Semitic propaganda.

Fans banned from match
CrossChecking · 17/10/2025 01:06

Ablondiebutagoody · 17/10/2025 01:00

It is a problem and still happens fairly often at football matches. Usually, the police target and remove the specific individuals doing that stuff. If its widespread enough amongst the fans of a particular club, UEFA will step in, issue fines and make the club play behind closed doors.

But that isn't the reason given for this ban. The reason is that the police refuse to face down the antisemites.

They said "The club are in continuous dialogue with Maccabi Tel Aviv and the local authorities throughout this ongoing process, with the safety of supporters attending the match and the safety of local residents at the forefront of any decision."

This is the reason given. The safety of all supporters and local residents. Surely that statement can include keeping any British Arabs who live locally safe from racists who chant for their deaths?

Livelovebehappy · 17/10/2025 01:07

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 17/10/2025 00:56

No that's not what she said. Again, comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point here.

How else would you interpret ‘and go where’? Maybe you’re deliberately interpreting it to read in a different way. But i think we all know what the poster is saying. Apart from one or two others on here. The mask slipped for a second there…

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JHound · 17/10/2025 01:08

Livelovebehappy · 16/10/2025 22:05

Because clearly that’s how Villa are interpreting it. They’re not being banned because of previous problems they’ve brought to matches. They've been banned purely because of the Israeli/Palestine situation, and the potential for violence between the two factions. That’s why…

But where are you getting “Jews” from? What does a ban on a football teams fans have to do with Jewish people?

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