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SunnySideDeepDown · 16/10/2025 20:19

WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans will not be allowed to attend Aston Villa match amid safety concerns

Police say the decision is based partly on what happened in Amsterdam last year, when Israeli fans attending a match against Ajax were targets of antisemitic attacks.

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

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Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 13:21

bittertwisted · 22/10/2025 13:06

Well I did a whole lot of research myself, and please you are the last person who can preach unbiased sources:l, you have cherry picked yourself

Perhaps in light of above you will improve your research techniques so you are linking credible sources.

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 13:25

I’ll be glad when this thread dies. It’s really depressing to see how many people are working to spread lies and misinformation born from racism and hatred of the Jewish community.

If anyone wants to see the reason why Reform is racing ahead, they just need to read this thread. I am a reform voter and struggled to understand their point until I read this. Illuminating to say the least.

CarlaLemarchant · 22/10/2025 13:29

WMP and the SAG took their information from law enforcement in Europe that had first hand experiences of dealing with the MTA fans and used that information to determine they should not come to Birmingham. They are solely interested in public safety. Fortunately, the MPs all crying anti semitism on Friday have come to realise this and have pretty much shut up about it and members of the Jewish community in Bham have come out in support of the ban on MTA fans.

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 13:36
  • I am not a reform supporter that should read obviously! Although I imagine a few will be converted after this thread and the latest developments
DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 14:42

Former Special Branch officer Chris Hobbs explores in detail the complex policing considerations behind the decision to stage an upcoming football match in Birmingham without supporters from the Israeli team.
Following the controversial decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from their match with Aston Villa the Israeli club has made it clear that they would not accept tickets for their fans to attend the match even if offered.

This news comes in the wake of disorder before a match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and their rivals Hapoel Tel Aviv last Sunday.
Israeli police described the incident as ‘public disorder and violent riots’ and went on to say: “Dozens of smoke grenades and pyrotechnic devices were thrown” adding that; ‘”this is not a football game, this is disorder and serious violence”. Three police officers were amongst the fifteen people injured and, in a scenario familiar to officers in the UK, the Israeli police were blamed for the violence

Whilst some have, with apparent justification, placed the blame on Hapoel fans for the smoke grenades and flares, footage has emerged which purports to show Maccabi fans chasing down their rivals after the game was cancelled.

An identical fixture between the two sides back in September 2023, at the same stadium which they share, saw fighting broke out between rival fans amidst chaotic scenes which resulted in 120 arrests.

In January of this year, a match between Maccabi Haifa and Maccabi Tel Aviv was abandoned because of pyrotechnics being fired on to the pitch and fighting in the stands.
Fallout
It’s probably unlikely that West Midlands Police will have anticipated the fallout which followed their decision to support the view of the local SAG (Safety Advisory Group) that Maccabi Tel Aviv fans should be banned from attending their sides match

There seems to be a presumption amongst police critics that this decision was taken lightly accompanied by less than subtle implications that antisemitic attitudes are at play here
The fixture between Dutch club Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv, didn’t initially cause alarm bells to be loudly rung because Ajax have strong Jewish links with a reportedly good relationship
Police cooperation
Amsterdam the day before the game saw
Footage shows them running through the streets while violent anti-Arab racist chants were prevalent and captured on social media posts including when they were entering a station on their way to the match

News reports stated; “The evening before the match, on November 6, Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were filmed removing Palestinian flags from buildings, shouting racist anti-Arab chants, assaulting individuals, and damaging property. Videos circulated showing Maccabi fans setting off flares and chanting racist slogans.”

Interestingly footage of violence the night before the game has emerged on social media and, as is so often the case, has been manipulated. Hundreds of youths filmed running amok was and is portrayed as ‘Arabs’ despite protests from the lady who actually was responsible for that footage and stated that these were unquestionably Maccabi ultras. The same incident was also captured by a teenage youth who was in no doubt as to what he was filming

After the game however the ‘hunters effectively became the hunted’ as the AJAX ultras together with groups of youths, described as of Arab heritage, chased and attacked Maccabi fans across the city, in what could only be described as serious, widespread disorder. This disorder inevitably put law-abiding Maccabi fans and local Jewish citizens at risk as well as the hooligan element.

This from police oracle

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DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 14:46

Background of Maccabi club and fans behaviour

The club, founded in 1906, has clearly endured many turbulent times over the decades. More recently it has acquired a reputation for racist behaviour amongst a section of its support base even to the extent of abusing its own players; the last recorded incident however, was eleven years ago when Maharan Radi, described as Palestinian midfielder, was abused and even reportedly assaulted by his own fans during a game against Hapoel Kiryat Shalom. Six years earlier a Jewish player of Ethiopian descent, Baruch Dego, was also subjected to abuse which included monkey noises. It should however be noted that this behaviour did not win the approval of all Maccabi fans who made their feelings known. Baruch in fact was capped for Israel and had a long and distinguished career.

More recent controversy occurred in during 2020 and 2021 when during demonstrations against Benjamin Netanyahu, Maccabi ultras reportedly attacked protestors with batons and broken bottles.

Very recent footage of Maccabi’s Ultras singing
‘the rape song’ which includes the phrases “You’re the Arabs’ whores. We are ashamed of you: We will f— you: We will f— you, and then we will drink your blood” is less than endearing although apparently is primarily directed against a rival Israeli club.

Footage also exists of a group of Maccabi’s supporters carrying out a quite brutal attack in Athens on a lone male carrying a Palestine flag. This was before a Europa League game.

( from police oracle )

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 14:52

CarlaLemarchant · 22/10/2025 13:29

WMP and the SAG took their information from law enforcement in Europe that had first hand experiences of dealing with the MTA fans and used that information to determine they should not come to Birmingham. They are solely interested in public safety. Fortunately, the MPs all crying anti semitism on Friday have come to realise this and have pretty much shut up about it and members of the Jewish community in Bham have come out in support of the ban on MTA fans.

Agree
Lets hope those MPs and Starmer retract their statements and unfounded accusations of antisemitism.

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 15:18

Everanewbie · 21/10/2025 13:19

I’m not using religious descriptions because that is the point. They are banning support based on the anti Israel sentiment of the local Muslim population. I haven’t seen bans for the Christians of Bologna or the Muslims of Galatasaray. Now they have proper hooligan elements.

Banning precedents

Certainly, there are plenty of recent precedents in European football in terms of away fans being banned from attending away matches.

Safety concerns saw Lazio fans banned from AJAX’s ground last year following a decision by the mayor and the police chief

while Glasgow Ranger’s fans received a one away match ban at PSV Eindhoven for ‘sectarian chanting.’

Eintracht Frankfurt fans have been banned from attending their match in Naples against Napoli next month due to fears of violence while a year ago Barcelona supporters were banned from attending their teams match against Red Star Belgrade due to the ‘racist behaviour’ of their supporters during an earlier match in Monaco.

The visit to Villa of Legia Warsaw
Interestingly, a more severe punishment of a five match away match ban was imposed upon Legia Warsaw following serious disorder by their fans when their side visited Aston Villa two years ago.

The reluctance of the West Midlands force to risk another similar or even more serious two days of disorder is understandable. The level of violence police faced was extreme despite officers from other forces being drafted in. One officer, from the West Mercia was, ‘set on fire’ after being hit by a flare. Happily, he wasn’t seriously hurt. Forty- six arrests were made on the night and much to the chagrin of front- line officers, only a handful appeared in court following decisions made by the CPS.

10thingsIreallyhateaboutyou · 22/10/2025 15:37

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 08:44

And yet no Muslims whatsoever ended up in hospital, and yet plenty of Israelis were injured and hospitalised. Rescue flights were sent. Stop lying.

The guidance literally came from the Dutch police and is quoted in the article 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

What part of ‘they are violent football hooligans’ is so hard to accept despite being presented with all the evidence

pointythings · 22/10/2025 15:39

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 14:46

Background of Maccabi club and fans behaviour

The club, founded in 1906, has clearly endured many turbulent times over the decades. More recently it has acquired a reputation for racist behaviour amongst a section of its support base even to the extent of abusing its own players; the last recorded incident however, was eleven years ago when Maharan Radi, described as Palestinian midfielder, was abused and even reportedly assaulted by his own fans during a game against Hapoel Kiryat Shalom. Six years earlier a Jewish player of Ethiopian descent, Baruch Dego, was also subjected to abuse which included monkey noises. It should however be noted that this behaviour did not win the approval of all Maccabi fans who made their feelings known. Baruch in fact was capped for Israel and had a long and distinguished career.

More recent controversy occurred in during 2020 and 2021 when during demonstrations against Benjamin Netanyahu, Maccabi ultras reportedly attacked protestors with batons and broken bottles.

Very recent footage of Maccabi’s Ultras singing
‘the rape song’ which includes the phrases “You’re the Arabs’ whores. We are ashamed of you: We will f— you: We will f— you, and then we will drink your blood” is less than endearing although apparently is primarily directed against a rival Israeli club.

Footage also exists of a group of Maccabi’s supporters carrying out a quite brutal attack in Athens on a lone male carrying a Palestine flag. This was before a Europa League game.

( from police oracle )

Edited

Ah, but the police are all antisemitic so none of that can be considered a reliable source. In fact, anything that suggests MTA fans are not total innocent sweethearts isn't reliable.

I too will be glad when this thread is done. I am so tired of the hooligan apologists.

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 18:58

I certainly have no sympathy whatsoever for hooligans, I do have however have issue with the prevalent anti Israel sentiment and religious hatred.

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 19:01

Our country is a wonderful place to live full of different religions and races, the harmony depends on ALL of us being tolerant and accepting, living by the rules of democracy and justice.

APTPT · 22/10/2025 19:06

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 19:01

Our country is a wonderful place to live full of different religions and races, the harmony depends on ALL of us being tolerant and accepting, living by the rules of democracy and justice.

This has never described reality at any point in our history.

Clavinova · 22/10/2025 19:26

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 15:18

Banning precedents

Certainly, there are plenty of recent precedents in European football in terms of away fans being banned from attending away matches.

Safety concerns saw Lazio fans banned from AJAX’s ground last year following a decision by the mayor and the police chief

while Glasgow Ranger’s fans received a one away match ban at PSV Eindhoven for ‘sectarian chanting.’

Eintracht Frankfurt fans have been banned from attending their match in Naples against Napoli next month due to fears of violence while a year ago Barcelona supporters were banned from attending their teams match against Red Star Belgrade due to the ‘racist behaviour’ of their supporters during an earlier match in Monaco.

The visit to Villa of Legia Warsaw
Interestingly, a more severe punishment of a five match away match ban was imposed upon Legia Warsaw following serious disorder by their fans when their side visited Aston Villa two years ago.

The reluctance of the West Midlands force to risk another similar or even more serious two days of disorder is understandable. The level of violence police faced was extreme despite officers from other forces being drafted in. One officer, from the West Mercia was, ‘set on fire’ after being hit by a flare. Happily, he wasn’t seriously hurt. Forty- six arrests were made on the night and much to the chagrin of front- line officers, only a handful appeared in court following decisions made by the CPS.

Three of your five examples (Rangers 2011, Legia Warsaw 2023 and Barcelona 2024) were official bans imposed by UEFA - whereas UEFA previously indicated that they had no objections to Maccabi fans having tickets for the Aston Villa match.

Eintracht Frankfurt fans have been banned from attending their match in Naples against Napoli next month...

This ban reflects violent history between the two clubs and local police - violence in both Frankfurt and Naples in 2023;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-64970977

As far as I am aware, there is no violent history between Aston Villa/West Midlands Police and Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Safety concerns saw Lazio fans banned from AJAX’s ground last year following a decision by the mayor and the police chief

Interestingly, this ban was an immediate reaction [some people on this thread might claim a knee-jerk reaction] to the antisemitic violence in Amsterdam - the ban on Lazio fans was announced only two weeks later;

Reuters -
The city of Amsterdam, still traumatized by violence between Israeli soccer fans and pro-Palestinian protesters, said on Tuesday no travelling fans would be allowed at Ajax Amsterdam's Europa League home game, on December 12th, against Italian side Lazio.

"Supporters of Lazio Rome are not welcome in Amsterdam... The risk of extreme-right, antisemitic, racist expressions and disturbances is too high," the municipality said in a statement.

Supporters of Israeli soccer team Maccabi Tel Aviv were attacked in the early hours of November 8th following a Europa League match with Ajax. Among dozens of Israeli supporters who were chased and assaulted, five suffered injuries needing hospital treatment, police said.

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 19:30

APTPT · 22/10/2025 19:06

This has never described reality at any point in our history.

I disagree - we mostly live in peace

Clavinova · 22/10/2025 19:33

10thingsIreallyhateaboutyou · 22/10/2025 15:37

The guidance literally came from the Dutch police and is quoted in the article 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

What part of ‘they are violent football hooligans’ is so hard to accept despite being presented with all the evidence

Mayor of Amsterdam in July this year;

During the council debate, some parties, including DENK and the SP, questioned whether it would have been better to bar the Maccabi fans from the game [last year]. [Amsterdam Mayor Femke] Halsema responded by saying that Maccabi Tel Aviv was not known as a club with a history of violent incidents and that if they had chosen to ban the supporters from the game, it would only have been due to their Israeli nationality. “I felt that, given the Dutch government’s position on Israel that would have been irresponsible."

https://nltimes.nl/2025/07/05/amsterdam-may-ban-fans-future-ajax-maccabi-tel-aviv-games-2024-violence

nomas · 22/10/2025 20:15

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 08:44

And yet no Muslims whatsoever ended up in hospital, and yet plenty of Israelis were injured and hospitalised. Rescue flights were sent. Stop lying.

Ah the poor little Maccabi fans, bless their socks, they only went out for a cup of cocoa before bedtime.

Any source for your ludicrous claims?

Martymcfly24 · 22/10/2025 20:22

Clavinova · 22/10/2025 19:33

Mayor of Amsterdam in July this year;

During the council debate, some parties, including DENK and the SP, questioned whether it would have been better to bar the Maccabi fans from the game [last year]. [Amsterdam Mayor Femke] Halsema responded by saying that Maccabi Tel Aviv was not known as a club with a history of violent incidents and that if they had chosen to ban the supporters from the game, it would only have been due to their Israeli nationality. “I felt that, given the Dutch government’s position on Israel that would have been irresponsible."

https://nltimes.nl/2025/07/05/amsterdam-may-ban-fans-future-ajax-maccabi-tel-aviv-games-2024-violence

She also said this in November:

The mayor has criticised local security services for their failure to anticipate the violence, saying "That information was not known to me...The story of a racist club was never properly told to me."

She also condemned Israel for its swift portrayal of the incident as an attack on Israelis, despite prior behaviour by Maccabi supporters in which they chanted anti-Arab slogans and tore down Palestinian flags.

"We were completely caught off guard by Israel. At 3am, (Israeli) Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu was already giving a lecture about what happened in Amsterdam, while we were still gathering the facts," she said in Sunday's interview.

pointythings · 22/10/2025 20:33

Nestingbirds · 22/10/2025 18:58

I certainly have no sympathy whatsoever for hooligans, I do have however have issue with the prevalent anti Israel sentiment and religious hatred.

Wanting to ban a bunch of hooligans is not anti Israel unless your mindset is that any criticism of any Israeli person, group or organisation due to their actions is anti Israeli. Which does seem to be how some on this thread think.

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 20:33

Clavinova · 22/10/2025 19:26

Three of your five examples (Rangers 2011, Legia Warsaw 2023 and Barcelona 2024) were official bans imposed by UEFA - whereas UEFA previously indicated that they had no objections to Maccabi fans having tickets for the Aston Villa match.

Eintracht Frankfurt fans have been banned from attending their match in Naples against Napoli next month...

This ban reflects violent history between the two clubs and local police - violence in both Frankfurt and Naples in 2023;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-64970977

As far as I am aware, there is no violent history between Aston Villa/West Midlands Police and Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Safety concerns saw Lazio fans banned from AJAX’s ground last year following a decision by the mayor and the police chief

Interestingly, this ban was an immediate reaction [some people on this thread might claim a knee-jerk reaction] to the antisemitic violence in Amsterdam - the ban on Lazio fans was announced only two weeks later;

Reuters -
The city of Amsterdam, still traumatized by violence between Israeli soccer fans and pro-Palestinian protesters, said on Tuesday no travelling fans would be allowed at Ajax Amsterdam's Europa League home game, on December 12th, against Italian side Lazio.

"Supporters of Lazio Rome are not welcome in Amsterdam... The risk of extreme-right, antisemitic, racist expressions and disturbances is too high," the municipality said in a statement.

Supporters of Israeli soccer team Maccabi Tel Aviv were attacked in the early hours of November 8th following a Europa League match with Ajax. Among dozens of Israeli supporters who were chased and assaulted, five suffered injuries needing hospital treatment, police said.

We know what the news says and conveniently does not state how the problems were stated by some Maccabi fans

These news articles clearly follow the same stance taken but Starmer and certain MPs here who have been called out as whipping up hate and making the ban an anti semitic issue
It isn’t
I suggest you read the actual reasons for the ban
they are posted up thread

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 20:34

pointythings · 22/10/2025 20:33

Wanting to ban a bunch of hooligans is not anti Israel unless your mindset is that any criticism of any Israeli person, group or organisation due to their actions is anti Israeli. Which does seem to be how some on this thread think.

Exactly

Clavinova · 22/10/2025 20:34

Martymcfly24

The Mayor doesn't suggest they are 'known to be violent football hooligans' which is the claim I was replying to.

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 20:38

nomas · 22/10/2025 20:15

Ah the poor little Maccabi fans, bless their socks, they only went out for a cup of cocoa before bedtime.

Any source for your ludicrous claims?

No
because local civilians did end up in hospital
Not to mention the attacks on a taxi driver by Maccabi
and a person carrying a Palestinian flag
Then scaling buildings to take down flags and Islamophobic chants and
not respecting the 2 minute silence in the stadium.
and
and
and

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 20:38

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 20:38

No
because local civilians did end up in hospital
Not to mention the attacks on a taxi driver by Maccabi
and a person carrying a Palestinian flag
Then scaling buildings to take down flags and Islamophobic chants and
not respecting the 2 minute silence in the stadium.
and
and
and

Our police force has made the right decision for everyone

DrPrunesqualer · 22/10/2025 20:42

.WMP had advised Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) against approving an away allocation at Villa Park. WMP said it based its initial decision “on current intelligence and previous incidents”, citing the “violent clashes and hate crime offences” that took place before and after the Europa League tie between Ajax and Maccabi in Amsterdam in November 2024.
Dutch police made more than 60 arrests after Maccabi supporters were attacked following the game. The evening before the match, police said Maccabi supporters attacked a taxi and set a Palestinian flag on fire.

“Decisions have to be respected if they are made,” Guildford added. “They are made with good, grounded understanding of the threat and what the risk is. Our job as the police is to try and keep everyone safe.”

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