Fans banned from match

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WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

Stop gaslighting?
Are you willfully ignoring what happened in Tel Aviv?
I mean that was outrageous behaviour.
The police had to cancel the whole match!
Was that a few hooligans?
Did Israeli police overreact?
Come on now
I don't think you can claim innocence or victimhood after that

Well the club says they’ refuse’ any tickets offered - what gents! Nowt to do with the match that was pulled in Tel Aviv because of their fans behaviour I’m sure… just them taking the moral high ground for their own ‘fans’ safety…

It is poor behaviour from the Israeli fans ofc. If you had read the thread no one disputes that. So ban the perpetrators, not the entire Israeli fan base then.

Either way our police force could handle it, IF it was just a simple football match before and after. But it is not, which hunts have been organised in Birmingham.

The real issue is banning all fans looks politically and racially motivated. Especially in the back drop of Jewish people being murdered for no reason in Manchester.

If the Prime Minister hasn’t made that abundantly clear to you, and everyone else - and you still don’t get it, I am not going to bother keep trying. You are boring me.

You're boring me too 🙄
If Israeli police couldn't handle them
Why should British police be expected to?
I mean, the fact that British police were validated by the fans behaviour at home is good,
and hopefully in light of this new evidence, the prime minister can look at the facts of the situation and not subject the British public with this outrageous behaviour.

Are/were Christian fans of the club banned?

Exactly - I would have thought the Israeli police are a lot more hard core than ours!

And how many times do we have to explain it is perfectly normal procedure to ban a whole fan base because of the behaviour of a few.
for those who still don’t get this concept, it’s like a whole class ban because 2 kids were naughty and won’t fess up

So special treatment for a fanbase known to bw violent and racist just because they're from Israel. We pander to them because we're afraid it will look bad if we don't. Got it.

Honestly, your intellectual contortions are Olympic level. They are violent. In football, whole fan bases have been banned for violence. This is no different. The rules apply to everyone. If this were a club from an Arab country whose fans had similar form and reputation, I would be saying exactly the same thing.

My husband is from Birmingham, as are his huge Irish catholic family
He has catholic, Jewish, Muslim, atheist friends

NONE of them disagree with the ban, only one of them sypports Villa

how dare you accuse a city of racism when you have no idea about the reality of that city

In fact he says growing up the group he was least likely to interact with was Protestants

Everyone else considered themselves minority groups and just got on with it. His words, not mine. People impose their own take on societies they know nothing about

And that's why Isreali police banned the whole match is it?

Israeli police banned the match because of violence. That really shouldn't be rocket science.

I would like to see things go much further, with the league getting involved. Not just in Israel, everywhere. If your fans behave like violent mobs - you lose points and get fined. If they persist - you get kicked out of the league and relegated. See how that would focus minds - it really isn't hard not to sell tickets to certain groups of people, to have stadium bans for certain people. Want to support your team? You bloody well behave yourself, end of. And that should apply to everyone. Football matches should be events where families can go in safety and enjoy themselves.

Why do so many posters keep attributing the ban to the behaviour of MTA fans? The local MP was agitating after a ban from the get go based on an Israeli boycott. The statement was about keeping MTA fans safe. This is about a feeling that the Islamist mob and their useful idiot allies wont be able to control themselves.

all the subsequent talk about MTA fan behaviour is just manipulation to justify the moral cowardice on the part of the authorities.

Even a cursory glance at the Statement, from the Club itself, alongside information from the Israeli Police Force, will show you how wrong you are.

The agitation came from people wanting to shout anti-Semitic, before looking at the facts

This whole thing is full of rubbish you will get no joy trying to claim that you are right. The press is issuing contradictory statements.

You’re talking rubbish. The local MPs and councillors elected by the majority Muslim population on a pro Palestine ticket targeted this fixture from the start. They managed to get their way to a degree with this technicality. If they had their way, the fixture would be boycotted completely.

MTA are not even in the same league of violence compared to Lazio, Napoli, Galatasaray, Fenerbache, let alone our home grown thugs at notable clubs like Millwall and West Ham.

This is purely about appeasing radical Muslims and their flag waiving morons who follow them around.

So, why did Sky Sports describe the ban as a "rarity"?

MTA are not even in the same league of violence compared to Lazio, Napoli, Galatasaray, Fenerbache, let alone our home grown thugs at notable clubs like Millwall and West Ham.

What they did in Amsterdam suggests otherwise.

Er... because total fan bans happen rarely? That doesn't mean they don't happen at all, nor does it mean they should never happen, nor does it mean this particular ban was in any way inappropriate.

When they were attacked by a pro-Palestine mob? I’m not pretending they’re angels, but if you’re hated and attacked, it’s difficult to be restrained. Like a microcosm of the war itself.

Not 'a normal procedure' then.

Also here;
Fan bans are not unheard of in European football, but they are a rarity and typically based on a history of violence between fans of rival clubs. There is no history of violence between Aston Villa and Maccabi fans.

Personally I think that's nitpicking - the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have a reputation for being violent, which they reinforced with their behaviour at the weekend.

As I said - just because fan bans are rare, that doesn't mean they are never justified.

I'm Dutch. I read about the events in Amsterdam in the Dutch press. It's very clear that the Maccabi fans were by no means innocent victims.

I don’t think they are. But they weren’t the only ones misbehaving. And it is completely disproportionate to ban them from the villa game.

which they reinforced with their behaviour at the weekend

To be fair, it's difficult to make an informed view here as the video footage published by UK media only shows fans from the other team clashing with police.