Fans banned from match

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WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

You said society went so far left that its swung to Reform. I was saying I don’t believe society has been left for a long time, and that I believe the formation and rise of Reform is more to do with mid-right Conservatives stripping public services.

Hillsborough and Bradford disasters had nothing to with race!?

Hillsborough and Bradford disasters were not caused by fans or hooliganism. I don't know about Heysel but the above two were also not shown live on tv. @FrippEnos

Yorkshire TV were at Valley Parade to film the league win ceremony for broadcast later. The FA cup match at Hillsborough was part of the 3pm embargo at the time and not shown live.

Some people will believe anything. Read the post I responded to. 😂

Birmingham has the right to defend itself.

Glad you think its funny but it's a verified fact that it was a pre planned "jew hunt". People were sent to jail over it, and not maccabi fans

I did read it. That’s why I wondered what was funny to you. Bizarre to laugh at that.

Where I live they rally in the town centre wrapping themselves in that flag chanting Death to Israel and Fuck the Jews.

Nice people.

Hillsborough was a result of hooliganism.

It was badly written, and for that I apologise.
But my point stands.

And yes Hillsborough was as a result of hooliganism. at least in part. due to the fences that were put up in the stadium.
Yes, there were other factors. the choice of stadium, the road works around the town, the gates being opened.
And the fences that were put up due to the hooligans.

Just FYI Hillsborough was shown later in the day by the BBC showing the events as they unfolded.

Let's hope there are no Liverpudlan fans on here. This was covered by the Sun, and disproved. It was police negligence on allowing too many supporters into sections of the ground resulting in overcrowding. Nothing to do with hooliganism.

From what? Have there been any threats against them? The police are paid to control these situations. Plus it's not the people of Birminghsm who need protecting. The police are basically saying they cant protect the Tel Aviv fans from mob rule. No community can or should dictate who is allowed to visit the UK. What has our country come to that we are allowing ths??

It was poorly written.
And I have posted what I meant.
The fences were put up as a result of hooligans invading the pitches at other matches and having mass battles. .

But if it needs to be clearer, it was nothing to do with the fans at Hillsborough.

And the sun is widely boycotted in Liverpool because of how they reported on Hillsborough

Let's hope the Macabi fans think the same way as you if they are allowed to attend and keep their countrys flag at home, it doesn't seem very likely though given their history.

Why do you think that the Netherlands have put Israel on their lost of 'Threat to National security risk' in no small part because of their efforts to manipulate and influence public opinion and policy in the Netherlands, via disinformation campaigns following the Ajax match if it was so straight forward? Why did Israel feel the need to meddle so much that they have become an actual threat to the security of the Netherlands? It's a bit weird if it was all as simple as a 'Jew hunt' isn't it?

Let's hope if Macabi fans are let in Israel doesn't become a threat to National security in the UK too, such worrying times all round really.

Well maybe that's the compromise. No flags allowed at the game and they're confiscated if trying to bring any into the match,:a bit like when alcohol is confiscated at entry. . If the ban remains i hope the police are equally uncompromising on any pro Palestinians who decide to hijack the match. Based on recent judgements of these people, ie marches within hours of the recent Manchester terror attacks, it would seem their morals are equally in question here.

@CrossChecking well that situation was interesting in itself. Israel had proved a link between more than one terrorist organisation and people living in the Netherlands and used more than one method to distribute that information- it was not discounted as ‘ misinformation’.
The Netherlands was concerned the information leaked could lead to ‘intimidation, threatening or attack’.
I believe people have gone on to be charged with terror offences who live in the Netherlands linked to Hamas?
Two weeks after the event the Dutch passed a motion closing antisemitic mosques.
So what they said was right, if not done in an unorthodox manner?

It was months and months after Amsterdam that the security services moved them to the 'Threat to National security' for spreading disinformation, it's important to note too that it was was disinformation not misinformation. Disinformation is deliberately intended to mislead—intentionally misstating the facts. What they said can't possibly have been true if they were misstating the facts in a attempt to deliberately mislead. Security services cited disinformation campaigns that endangered the lives of Dutch citizens as one of the reasons.

I will trust that the Dutch security services are well able to investigate what happened and if they say that Israel were deliberately spreading disinformation that endangered the lives of Dutch citizens then it seems highly unlikely that what they were spreading was in fact true.

‘Endangered the lives of Dutch citizens’

I am not a conspiracy theorist but reading around this issue a bit it is quite easy to put two and two together. People went on to be charged. I don’t doubt the way Israel leaked information was wrong.

That's what the security services said, why would a national security service lie and say a country is a threat to National security if they weren't? Disinformation by it's very nature is not ture. Israel were spreading information that wasn't true, deliberately and that disinformation was a threat to Dutch citizens according to their own security services.

Do you have better intel than the Dutch security services on what Information Israel was spreading? I find that highly doubtful.

Israel, after the football violence that injured their citizens and put many in hospital, and the fact the Dutch police force were unable to keep the fans safe, circulated a list of known activists and the Dutch people directly involved with the violence.

This caused great upset in the Netherlands as it was seen as unwanted interference. The Dutch have never disputed that the violence against Israelis happened and that it was pre planned. The Dutch took exception to Israel providing lists of those involved in the attacks to the Dutch politicians and media.

Hence the security decision. One could argue Israel was simply trying to defend itself. No one is questioning that the violence took place and it was anti semitic.

Whilst it is unacceptable to chant such provocative things, and pull down a pro pal flag, the violence on the Israeli fan base had already been pre planned on social media. The level of violence was not necessary or warranted and many Dutch ‘locals’ ended up in prison as a result. Everyone accepts it was anti semitic.

So the answer is not to ban anyone here. The answer is to ensure there is organised police presence and intelligence in place.

Immediate arrests for incitement and disorder. Careful choreography and armed police and horses as you would see at any football match where tensions are expected.

Those planning violence rounded uo, arrested and charged ahead of the match if proven they are organising racial /religios attacks.

I suspect some of the leaders in Birmingham have concerns about their own citizens involvement, and are aware of how this could play out globally on the international stage and the damage it could do.

The best course of action should be ti address the growing anti semitism in their own communities, not slapping bans on others!

Maccabee aren’t listed as one of the top ten football clubs with a dangerous fan base according to Sportbible but Millwall is.

I wonder if the Met police have similar concerns as WMP about safety at the Millwall match 2 days (on a Saturday) after the AV match, especially as they are putting so many resources into arresting Jews for getting too close to pro-Hamas protesters while wearing Star of David necklaces.

https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/10-most-dangerous-fanbases-england-world-133449-20250414

It was proven that Maccabee fans were set up for a violent ‘Jew hunt’ in Amsterdam and Israel even had to send planes to get them out.

Why can’t WMP just be transparent and say they expect the same to happen here and they won’t be able to cope.

Wouldn’t be a good look after the recent Synagogue attack though would it? They would have to admit that Jew hatred in the UK is out of control.

All this discussion on the racist and violent Maccabi fans banimg and yet barely a mention of the Frankfurt fans banned from travelling to their team's game against Napoli two nights before the Villa game.
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It was proven that Maccabee fans were set up for a violent ‘Jew hunt’ in Amsterdam and Israel even had to send planes to get them out.

1. the (awful) 'Jew Hunt ' WhatsApp was set up after a night of violence and racist hooliganism by the Maccabe fans. No it's not acceptable, but neither is singing songs about killing Palestinians and joking about killing all the kids.

2. Israel chose to send planes to get them out, thereby ensuring they could not be identified by the police, arrested and prosecuted. They escaped, but what they were escaping from was the criminal justice system.