Fans banned from match

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WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

These arent usual semantics. Thinking that Israel and Judaism is one and the same is very antisemitic. The Jewish people I know want nothing to do with the Israeli government. They'd want more to do with Israel if the Government changed to a better one.

I simply repeated what you’d already posted and asked if you had any further groups of people whose civil liberties you wanted to curtail.

Yes exactly - it created international shame and outrage globally.

No not at all but why mix two combustible elements? Birmingham shouldn’t have to put up with the inevitable damage that would ensue if the fans attended.

But I didn't post what you said I posted.

Did you know that the Amsterdam police said the Maccabi fans were targeted, and the Mayor of Amsterdam described it as a "pogrom" against Jews?

Are you aware of the football team Tottenham?

Is this not a great opportunity to flood Birmingham with police and arrest loads of vile men when they start trouble? Like a honey trap.

Did you know that they did that after Israel exerted extreme pressure on them to do so? Because they couldn’t just take responsibility for their fans actions?

But the vast majority of the Villa fans are peaceful and a sound lot. Their matches go on every weekend without trouble.

You don’t get to decide what’s antisemitic. In the same way that you don’t get to decide what’s racist. These things are often nuanced and subtle.

I appreciate it suits some posters to deny it’s antisemitism, for reasons I can’t really understand, perhaps prejudice, perhaps ignorance, but we need to listen and be careful about the narrative that’s ahead of us.

If we want to live in a peaceful country, if we genuinely want peace for both sides in the Middle East, then we need to ensure BOTH Jews and Muslims are protected.

Protection here - both physically and ideologically - calls for an all out fan ban in my opinion.

Side note - please don’t speak angrily to me. This is a discussion and doesn’t need people to get personal or aggressive.

I’d be curious to know what leverage Israel has over the Amsterdam police.

If you think the "elements" are that "combustible" surely the solution is for the match to be played behind closed doors, not for just one side and their fans to be penalised.

What’s your source of information here?

Firstly, banning people because they might attract violence is totally unacceptable. This is not the first example of Jewish people being told to stay away for their own safety. Women's organisations and feminist speakers will be familiar with having events cancelled on them because of threats of transactivists over the years, and with the feeling from some in society that somehow they are the ones in the wrong for being so awful and bigoted that they attract such vicious ire.

Secondly, you cannot constantly tell the public that Islamism isn't a problem in this country, particularly in places like Birmingham, but then arrange public life around Islamism being a problem in this country, particularly in places like Birmingham. Which is it? (Women will also be familiar with the sensation of being told it is bigoted or scaremongering to think of men as being violent but to simultaneously go out of their way to avoid male violence.)

Yeah, sure. You seem to have a very low opinion of the integrity of Dutch police and public figures.

Wow, imagine being so racist that you can't stop yourself from racially abusing your own players. I can see why people are so desperate for them to come visit England.

I actually saw the events unfolding in real time, because I follow football - I’ve not just reacted to a headline now. I watched MTA fans smashing the place up, and then lo and behold a couple of days later the narrative has changed entirely.

Is that to this information?

Did you know that the Amsterdam police said the Maccabi fans were targeted, and the Mayor of Amsterdam described it as a "pogrom" against Jews?

What on earth does that mean? Are you suggesting that Muslims should dictate who is permitted to visit the city? That is literally mob rule and can’t possibly end well in the long run.

Speak for your own parenting, my sons are a danger to no woman

What is antisemitic about violent football fans being banned from a game of football?

Of course. It wasn’t what they wanted to hear.

So no reliable source then.

It’s disgusting. Similar to milwall back in the day.

for some reason milwall was vilified but people on here seem keen to defend racists and violent criminals. I can’t imagine why.