Fans banned from match

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WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

other than actually seeing it? Okay.

I do actually have a very low opinion of them because any other set of fans would’ve been banned after the violent demonstrations on the first day.

As someone who has watched loads of games in Eastern Europe I can assure you that this type of thing is prevalent at dozens and dozens of clubs and quite a few national sides. None of them have been banned from travelling to away games.

I was quite explanatory in my original post and subsequent ones.

That’s simply not true.

I’m asking you to explain why you think violent football fans should be allowed at football games, making life a misery for the other fans and the surrounding community.

or is it only this group of fans? Because you think that it’s allowable for some fans to be violent and not others?

presumably you’re just as angry about the blanket ban on away fans at old firm matches, which is famously a rivalry based on religious beliefs.

yes, it is. You can deny it all you like but the MTA fans turned up to Amsterdam and were violent and racist.

It absolutely would happen in any country at any time with sets of fans who have caused serious violence or rioting. And individuals are often banned as it's easier to find individual offenders these days.

Galatasaray fans have certainly been banned en masse before.

In this case there is a clear public order concern around the fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv. Both about a trouble causing element in the fan base and that those who are not there to cause trouble may be a target for local thugs.

We had enough trouble with violence in and around football matches in the 1980s and 1990s in the UK which just doesn't happen in the way now and hasn't for many years. Let's not go back to those dark days. This is a sensible public order decision.

One anonymous poster saying they saw it. How much can one person see with one pair of eyes?!

Unless you’re superwoman and can see the whole event, in fine detail, then it’s irrelevant what one spectator of one scene thinks they saw.

You won’t have seen the build up, the areas you weren’t standing in. You won’t have heard what was out of earshot or seen the things out of visual line of sight.

You cannot summarise a whole event based on what one person saw. (Or says they saw as this is an anonymous site and people lie)

Mecca is a place in Saudi important to Muslims. Muslims arent responsible for the actions of the Saudi Government though. Some may vocally support it and defend its atrocities, but that speaks more of their character than their religion. Even if they use their religion as justification for supporting the atrocities committed by the Saudi Government.

I agree, but if this event brings together people who are anti semitic, anti Islamic, violent etc, what a great time to arrest them all and convict them.
I doubt violent, racist men are lovely in every other area of their lives, let them show their true colours and then come down on them like a ton of bricks.

I've been a season ticket holder for many years and I decided weeks ago I wasn't going to attend. Quite a few of the fans I sit near have already said the same. I still think there's going to be trouble and the best solution is to play behind closed doors with the match televised. Sad for the villa fans but I don't want to see the scenes from Amsterdam in Witton .
Can I just say that Aston Villa has to abide by the SAG and police advice and the decision to not allow away fans is not theirs to make.
So much bloody hatred everywhere 😞

You’re avoiding answering the question.

Which was: What's your source of information that "Israel exerted extreme pressure" on the Amsterdam police to say the Maccabi fans were targeted, and on the Mayor of Amsterdam to describe it as a "pogrom" against Jews?

Please give links to your information source.

Are people desperate to have those racists come visit their cities too? I thought in the UK they were desperately trying to stamp out racism directed at players not import more of it in. Seems I was wrong and a lot of you really don't mind a few monkey noises and death chants, more thought is being given to the racists than the people who live in Birmingham and would have been subjected to these racists on tour. British people should just suck it up and listen to death chants so Israelis can have a little holiday.

Well exactly.

I note that nobody here has a problem with away fans being banned at the old firm matches.

very interesting

Gosh, you don’t even bother to try and hide your bias.

It's not antisemitic to say that some Israeli football fans are racist. It is antisemitic to treat Israel as if having racist football fans is unique to them. Anyway, we all know this isn't why Israeli fans are being banned. They are being banned for the same sinister and disgraceful reason that 'visibly Jewish' people are harassed away from Gaza marches by the police. The authorities are terrified of Islamism and are even more terrified of admitting they are terrified of Islamism. What a state we are in.

Oh "Let them riot" great idea. Are you going to be paying for the clean up? I take it it's not your homes and businesses or council tax that will have to pay for it nor your friends, family or local community who will be affected.

What is worrying here is that people seem so keen to blindly support Israel, they can't recognise violence and racism from football fans. It was similar to when a gang rapes of women in Cyprus occurred by Israeli Tourists. It was said to be antisemitism that anyone accused them and then antisemitism when people were disgusted by their acquittals

This is a straight up lie.

nobody has tried to pretend Israel are the only country with racist football fans. In fact, many of us have pointed out that stadium bans due to racism are very common.

but for some reason a subset of people on here seem determined to insist that Israeli fans have the right to be racist and violent and we should all put up with it, or we are antisemitic.

Why would I hide the fact that I despise racism and think that racist chants and monkey noises should have no place in 2025? I would have thought that the people desperate for a load of racists to come to Britain on their jollies would hide it more but it seems not.

There were videos all over social media at the time. They are a vile bunch of fans.

However, by their standards, there are a lot of fans from other teams who should also be banned due to their behaviour. Some of the fans from teams from Turkey and Italy are just as bad.

Yes I do actually think they should be banned, and they have been in the past.

I’ve been to games in Europe where the levels of racism and violence dwarfed what happened in Amsterdam. None of them resulted in bans.