Fans banned from match

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WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

She doesn’t sound angry, you do a bit but you might not be.

So that’s Jews and men who aren’t allowed out. Any other groups you want to add to your list? How about anyone that isn’t like you? I can see that ending well.

So you can’t answer the question. One can therefore assume that you agree with racism and violence as long as it’s coming from certain groups.

I don’t want the game called off because villa and their fans are peaceful and enjoy the Europe league experience. They were fabulous in the champions league in 24/25. As far as I’m aware, the MTA players are peaceful and turning up to do a job. It’s just one set of fans who have behaved like this. Therefore, the logical thing to do is to remove that set of fans from the stadium. That has happened in football for a long, long time. It’s the consequences of their actions.

Jews haven’t been banned from the game. There are no checks of religion of those attending.

MTA ultras who have a violent history have been banned. Or are you suggesting they should be allowed to come and smash the place up, because they’re Jewish?

That is total fabrication.

I agree the Israeli fans were provocative with their chants (the same could be said for the other side) but that did NOT justify the violent witch hunt of cars being used to hit the fans, and the terrible scenes that followed,

The Jewish fans were targeted and injured, it was terrifying for them. Rescue planes were sent in. The Netherlands were mortified by the scenes and apologised profusely.

That is what happened.

An obscene orgy of violence against Jewish fans.

We will not stand for the same thing happening here. That’s for sure.

I disagree, most people are innocent bystanders.

I am angry, actually. I am sick to death of everything being twisted to be antisemitism, undermining the actual definition of the word. Like many I was horrified by the attack in Manchester, which was actually motivated by antisemitism. Labelling every tiny thing as antisemitism because you don’t like it risks diluting the meaning of the word to a point that the genuine threats don’t get taken seriously.

im also sick of people trying to justify football hooliganism and related violence. I’m a woman who actually goes to football matches. Id quite like for that to stay as the peaceful, enjoyable experience it is, rather than people attempting to bring it back to the 70s and 80s.

I am angry, actually. I am sick to death of everything being twisted to be antisemitism, undermining the actual definition of the word. Like many I was horrified by the attack in Manchester, which was actually motivated by antisemitism. Labelling every tiny thing as antisemitism because you don’t like it risks diluting the meaning of the word to a point that the genuine threats don’t get taken seriously.

im also sick of people trying to justify football hooliganism and related violence. I’m a woman who actually goes to football matches. Id quite like for that to stay as the peaceful, enjoyable experience it is, rather than people attempting to bring it back to the 70s and 80s.

Please don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

All fans are welcome or none is my answer.

Arab and black Maccabi players abused by ‘their own’ fans
Wikipedia reports that the New Israel Fund, a US-based NGO, made Maccabi Tel Aviv fans the second-most racist fans in Israel, behind another club, Beitar Jerusalem. The club’s fans are well known for yelling racist slurs and insults at Arab and black football players. Even players on their own team have often faced racist abuse from the team’s own fans. “Fans would yell anti-Arab slurs at Maharan Radi, an Arab player, and yell monkey noises at Baruch Dego, an Ethiopian-Jewish player.”

The game should be played behind closed doors and with no TV coverage. The significant loss of revenue will be the penalty of this decision.

You’ve missed out huge chunks of the story there though, haven’t you?

they werent merely “provocative”. They chanted pro genocide and racist chants. They “demonstrated” before the match. They chanted all through the match. After the match they continued their violence and went onto building sites, stealing equipment to use as weapons.

they attacked taxi drivers who were just working, and those taxi drivers then put out radio calls to ask other drivers to come and help, because they were scared.

it then descended into violence - which was wrong on both parts. But to act like the MTA fans were walking home peacefully and had cars driven at them is a completely misrepresentation designed to make it seem as if Amsterdam is an overly violent city with an antisemitism issue. The reality is, the MTA fans continually provoked people, acted violently and were met with violence. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. But this wasn’t an unprovoked attack on MTA fans purely because they’re Jewish.

That is because we have a big problem. You might not like the fact anti semitism is now a pressing issue but racism in all its forms needs to be stamped out.

That’s not how football works, and clearly you’ve never actually watched or followed football. Stadium bans are one of the most common punishments and tactics used to keep the peace.

do you feel the same about the old firm? Which has a blanket away fan ban in order to keep the peace?

You and I might not like what they chanted, but it doesn’t mean you ram cars at them!!!

Given the demographic makeup of Birmingham I think it’s just sensible.

There you go. @NestingBirdsisn’t doing as you accused her but it’s more relevant to your posts.

We won’t be the racist country you want us to be here. It’s not happening.

I’m not denying there is antisemitism in the UK.

But can you not see how labelling every single thing you disagree with as antisemitism is actually harming your cause? I’ve been accused of being antisemitic because I said I wanted the bombing in Gaza to stop. Anything that is even a slight criticism of Israel is labelled as antisemitism. Members of the Israeli government called their OWN CITIZENS antisemitic because they dared to protest against the war.

antisemitism is an issue, but you can’t use it to shut down anything that comes close to critical discussion on Israel, their actions, and the acts of certain Israeli citizens.

You can’t actually take part in a logical or reasoned debate because you just don’t seem to have the comprehension so I think it’s best if we leave it there.

There was certainly violence involving Maccabi fans in Amsterdam. Did you know that the Amsterdam police said the Maccabi fans were targeted, and the Mayor of Amsterdam described it as a "pogrom" against Jews?

Really? So given the ‘demographic make up’ would it also be a good idea to insist you wear a burka and ban alcohol for example? So we can guarantee your safety?

but she is. She’s constantly minimised the acts of the MTA fans, stating they were just “provocative” in some chanting, when they were actually incredibly violent. She’s labelled a common decision in football as antisemitism and accused me multiple times of being antisemitic and a racist.

More importantly it's the fairest outcome for everyone who lives there who isn't interested in this football, nor of picking which side of brawling men to support, and who just want a peaceful Thursday afternoon and evening without male violence spilling into the streets.