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godmum56 · 17/10/2025 15:04

user1492538376 · 17/10/2025 15:02

You see I have been childfree and now have children and know which is better :) You will never know because you dont have them. I would never admit this IRL but I feel sorry for people without children.

Also I feel the way you describe about other people’s children. Its very different when they are your own.

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you know which is better for you.

TheRealHousewife · 17/10/2025 15:04

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 15/10/2025 23:56

I often wonder how my life might be if I started out again, but without being premature or adopted.

Or if I had never had a head injury and post concussion syndrome a decade ago, that made me horrendously unwell to the point of a breakdown. Then I'd not have been injured permanently by an off label antipsychotic that gave me a neurological involuntary movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia.

I often hate myself because of my body. I know the head injury was entirely avoidable and very stupidly I altered my whole life by my own carelessness. If id not been climbing up a ladder on a children's play area and filming my eldest daughter, I'd not have banged my head. I need to forget it and forgive myself but I can't.

I often feel like a terrible mum for being very envious of my eldest daughter, who is incredible. She's so intelligent, Oxbridge material, and just brilliant, with a very sharp mind and so adept. She'd go further than I ever have done in life. That's what every parent wants for their own child, but being envious is terrible. I have to suppress my feelings as I know just how silly they are. I'm so immensely proud of her and I would only ever want the best for her.

Sending a big unmumsnetty hug ❤️

Member984815 · 17/10/2025 15:05

I hate my birthday, I get very depressed around the days coming up. I'm still mad that on a big birthday half the people who were invited ie husband and parents and mil chose to go to a mass not a funeral, of someone they vaguely knew. If it was a funeral I'd totally understand .this left me who didn't want to go out sitting with kids and 1 sibling and partner until the kitchen staff said they were closing soon. In the end I ordered for the missing people, so we could at least eat. Mil decided not to come in the end so had to cancel her meal. Embarrassing but hey I smiled in the pictures .

MollyRoisin · 17/10/2025 15:06

MorrisZapp · 16/10/2025 18:26

For every woman in a sexless marriage, there's a man in a sexless marriage. My own ltr is now sexless so my DP would be telling the truth if he said that.

Thanks @MorrisZapp. I am absolutely one hundred per cent certain my lovely friend's marriage is as sexless as mine is and that he is telling the truth.

Stressmess · 17/10/2025 15:07

Mousebowl · 17/10/2025 10:49

That at times I get quite lonely and I’m not sure how it happened. On the face of it I’m in a happy marriage with 2 DC and I have friends but I could easily go weeks or months without seeing them. I feel like I’ve always been the disposable one in groups, if I don’t keep in contact nobody else does with me but I don’t always want to be the one chasing everyone. I find myself not necessarily actively withdrawing but I can’t be bothered to talk about nothing like some people do at the school gate etc. I listen to other parents at DS’s football talk about the same things over and over and I just don’t care. I train and exercise alone, originally because it fits with DC, and I sometimes think about joining a running club but I can’t be bothered. It’s a weird cycle I’ve got myself in. I’m happy and family life is great, DH is my person but it doesn’t mean I’m not lonely.

@Mousebowl.I feel the same too that sometimes I feel quite lonely and am not sure how it has happened. It's not something that I would say though irl. My life seems to consist of work (mostly working from home so quite solitary), housework which is never ending and looking after the kids, doing homeworks with them or running them places. Even exercise when I can fit it in I do alone. I too have felt like the disposable one, the least important one in the group and used to always put others needs and wants before mine to keep them happy but were has it got me? Friends which I considered to be good friends have just fallen away. I would say now I more acquaintances rather than proper friends that I could confide in or do things with which is quite sad. It doesn't help that my DH is more social than me and could be out most nights with people doing activities or at events. The kids pick up on it too and ask why Dad is out again for dinner or at an event and you're not? Yet I am the one holding things together and that keeps everything running in the background.

CrispsPlease · 17/10/2025 15:09

amibeingaknob · 17/10/2025 15:02

I wonder why you have assumed I always didn't love her and she must have known. I loved that girl with all of my being, and Im a very expressive nurturing sort but my feelings change about 3 years ago when she was 23, and I snapped. Yes what she did and continues to do is that bad. It took an incredible amount for me to reach this place - including a psychotic break and a shit tonne of therapy. 'Good' mothers can and should turn their back on adult children. Sometimes it is vital to their happiness and wellbeing.

Because of what happened to me I joined a support group for parents of adult children going through similar. Its not as rare as you'd think. We aren't monsters and we have usually been pushed to the absolute brink.

Ok. I'm sorry for being insensitive. I didn't mean to. It's just hard to hear. But I guess it's because I can't imagine it because I haven't been in your shoes. I'm sorry, you must have been through hell to reach the point that you have. Apologies, I won't comment anymore x

amibeingaknob · 17/10/2025 15:10

i get it. Id be the same, but just be grateful you don't understand. Its pretty shit.

user1492538376 · 17/10/2025 15:14

godmum56 · 17/10/2025 15:04

you know which is better for you.

Yes but I didn't want children similar to the poster - and now I have and its the best thing I ever did. So unless you do it, you never will know - not completely anyway.

uniqueme · 17/10/2025 15:15

I think any product from Aunt Bessie should not be on any Christmas Day dinner. It’s inferior rubbish

TheRealHousewife · 17/10/2025 15:16

ForRealViper · 17/10/2025 10:51

Namechanged for this.

I never talk about it out loud, but I'm so pleased with myself for not having children. I think about it every day. It's at the back of my mind every time I talk to someone with kids, or see or hear a child.

I respect children and want them to be safe and happy (part of my job is to fundraise for children's community projects), but I never want them near me, and never, ever want one in my home. I can't fathom what possesses people to have children by choice, especially in this day and age. To me, there are plenty of people who are already alive who could benefit from my skill set, so that's what I apply myself to.

When people with children talk about their fantasy of a perfect day/life, they very often describe a life just like mine. Quiet, clean house, doing as I please, my money being mine alone, making modest but carefree travel plans. I have never once fantasised about a life with children, it looks positively masochistic.

When I was younger, people told me I'd regret not having children. One people even described it as "cheating". Now I'm older, people are starting to admit that they think I made the better call. I pretend not to know what they mean and say "Oh, I'm sure that's not true! Everyone's different!". But I agree.

When people say that childfree women "don't know how hard it is to be a parent", they're wrong, I do know, that's why I didn't do it. When people say I "don't know how good I have it", I do know, that's why I made the choices I did. I think about how good I have it every day I wake up!

I'd go as far as to say that I'm smug as fuck. But it would be rude of me to let on in real life, so I keep it quiet.

I totally respect your honesty and I hope you don’t come to regret your decision. A wave of regret can come out of nowhere.

Ive not had children but not entirely by choice. In my twenties I definitely didn’t want them but after getting married in my 30’s I did. We sadly lost a pregnancy and after trying for several years I became very ill. I had to have several major surgeries and ended up not being able to get pregnant. Adoption and fostering wasn’t an option due to ongoing health issues. Both myself and my husband lost our parents when we were in our fifties and I also lost my brother at a young age. Consequently we have no close family apart from an absent step-son. It can get very isolating.

In summary if you don’t have children your family generally gets smaller but if you are blessed with children it usually gets larger.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/10/2025 15:16

ChessBess · 17/10/2025 14:39

How old are you? You must be near 80 if your parents were teenagers during WW2.

I'm 64. Dad born 1928, Mum 1931. I think you might be thinking that WW2 was longer ago than it was? Both parents became teenagers during the war.

Confessionsthrowaway · 17/10/2025 15:18

CrispsPlease · 17/10/2025 14:51

It sounds as though you've been to hell and back. But I'll be honest: I do wince at reading that you "don't love her" that's the worst thing a mother can say about their child. Believe me, she'll know that.
I've heard "I don't like you but I still love you" which is still quite something, but "I don't love her" is quite a statement. Unless she's a paedophile or she murdered a sibling or something, I can't see how you can write a daughter off so completely. You have no obligation to answer any of this. But it does make for hard reading. You can't help wondering whether your daughter picked up your "nothingness" towards her from day 1. Chicken/egg.

That's very judgemental. You also don't know that the daughter isn't a pedophile. Contrary to popular belief, women do commit sexual offenses against children and still more abet men in doing so. And even if she isn't, she could just be a genuinely evil person.

Confessionsthrowaway · 17/10/2025 15:19

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/10/2025 15:16

I'm 64. Dad born 1928, Mum 1931. I think you might be thinking that WW2 was longer ago than it was? Both parents became teenagers during the war.

That poster can't count. My parents were children during the second world war and I am 42.

ChessBess · 17/10/2025 15:21

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/10/2025 15:16

I'm 64. Dad born 1928, Mum 1931. I think you might be thinking that WW2 was longer ago than it was? Both parents became teenagers during the war.

Yeah I think you’re right 😂 I was thinking it seems a waste worrying about something that might no happen in your lifetime but at 64 the same can’t be said. Let’s hope for all our sakes it blows over 🥴

ChessBess · 17/10/2025 15:34

Confessionsthrowaway · 17/10/2025 15:19

That poster can't count. My parents were children during the second world war and I am 42.

Fair point I got it wrong this time, but in my defence, teenagers could be up to 19. Could be reasonable to assume they had kids young so 20/21 so 1948, so could easily be late 70’s. Though she wasn’t 😂

TBF your parents must have been early - mid 40’s when they had you in the 80’s and that wouldn’t have been the norm.

godmum56 · 17/10/2025 15:34

user1492538376 · 17/10/2025 15:14

Yes but I didn't want children similar to the poster - and now I have and its the best thing I ever did. So unless you do it, you never will know - not completely anyway.

mmmmmm I would never advise anyone to become pregnant just to find out.

Olinguita · 17/10/2025 15:34

I think that having babies in quick succession (eg two under two) is miserable for a lot of women from a mental and physical health standpoint, and in a lot of situations they would have fared better with a larger age gap.
Having kids close together is seen as a sort of gold standard of motherhood where I live, and if you have a gap of more than three years people start to get weird about it and concern -trolling about whether the age gap will be too big for the children to play together (like it's any of their business). People also get weird if you have more than three children so you can't really win 🤷‍♀️ but then we are women, and therefore all our choices must somehow be wrong and open to criticism.
Have two under two if you want, if it worked well for you, or you had strong personal motivations for this birth spacing (age, career, broodiness) then great, and I don't judge you in the slightest for your reproductive choices, but can we stop endorsing this as the "correct" and most societally approved family structure? Because honestly, for a lot of us, it would have been a shit show.
For anyone interested, check out a writer called Elena Bridgers. She studies hunter gatherer societies and argues that for much of human history, women have had babies a good four years apart.

manicpixieschemegirl · 17/10/2025 15:37

I've no time for people who lack whimsy.

Vaguelyclassical · 17/10/2025 15:39

Sorry, your child's apparently stellar GCSE results are in fact not that impressive. The tests are really watered down and unchallenging compared to the "O" levels I took back in the day. Same applies to A levels and many university courses.

ChessBess · 17/10/2025 15:41

Vaguelyclassical · 17/10/2025 15:39

Sorry, your child's apparently stellar GCSE results are in fact not that impressive. The tests are really watered down and unchallenging compared to the "O" levels I took back in the day. Same applies to A levels and many university courses.

How would you know?

slummymummy24 · 17/10/2025 15:52

MrsZiggywinkle · 16/10/2025 19:49

I am seeing a psychotherapist because I have CPTSD. I tick all the boxes for inattentive ADHD and ASD so I suspect it stems from living the whole of my life not being 100% ‘normal’ and having emotionally abusive parents.

I have always struggled with friendship groups, been left out, on the edge of groups, bullied, struggled to stay in jobs, etc. I never ever fit in despite trying bloody hard to be like everyone else. I’ve got a university degree but never managed to get any sort of meaningful career off the ground. Life has always been very difficult but it has got even harder as I’ve got older as the pace of life has ramped up and everyone needs to be an extrovert and on all the time. I’m a failure in most areas of my life yet if you met me you would assume I’ve got my shit together because I’m so good at masking.

Nobody knows except DH and a very good friend because there is so much judgement from the ‘everyone’s got ADHD brigade’. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with trying harder and everything to do with having a brain that’s wired differently.

So sorry to read this but just wanted to say that you are not alone x

Confessionsthrowaway · 17/10/2025 15:56

ChessBess · 17/10/2025 15:34

Fair point I got it wrong this time, but in my defence, teenagers could be up to 19. Could be reasonable to assume they had kids young so 20/21 so 1948, so could easily be late 70’s. Though she wasn’t 😂

TBF your parents must have been early - mid 40’s when they had you in the 80’s and that wouldn’t have been the norm.

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Yes, they were. How you extrapolate from that that someone whose parents were teens during WW2 could be in their 80s I don't understand at all.

dynamiccactus · 17/10/2025 15:57

ChessBess · 17/10/2025 15:41

How would you know?

I don't know about all subjects but when my son did GCSE History I thought it was pretty challenging and significantly harder than mine.

It might have been different in the Noughties but since Mr Gove came along, GCSEs have been hard!

Mushroo · 17/10/2025 16:10

Oh my other thing i would never say is that a lot of people only have themselves to blame for having average / low paid jobs and like to lament about ‘high earners’ not deserving the
salary.

Excluding actual millionaires, billionaires etc. most well paid middle class jobs are perfectly accessible to anyone who works hard and actually puts the effort in to work out what a well paid job might look like.

But a lot of people mess around at school, choose ‘interesting’ or vocational jobs that aren’t well paid. Which is fine, but then don’t moan about other people earning more when they’re actively chosen a well paid, but probably boring and stressful job.

Of course, if people want to take a low stress, lower paid option that’s great, and no judgement there whatsoever. This obviously also doesn’t apply to people who having learning difficulties, a difficult home life etc.

Netcurtainnelly · 17/10/2025 16:11

Quackity · 16/10/2025 02:34

That i dont really understand why so many people are being diagnosed as ND. Im sure its true but there just seems to be so many now, so many kids with ADHD, so many men who are ND. Im embarrassed to discuss it in case the person themselves are ND.

That I hardly look in the mirror now after splitting with my ex a year ago. Its like my love of myself died and ive slowly been trying to build it back up.

Simply because there's more awareness. Nobody knew what it was, or talked about it years ago.

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