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godmum56 · 17/10/2025 12:38

CrispsPlease · 17/10/2025 11:14

Sorry to say it. But that smugness can quickly turn when you're old and vulnerable and realise there's no invite to Christmas dinner for you, brothers and sisters all dead , parents dead. You're it. Last of the line. No cuddles or coffees out when you're lonely. Not being able to relate to your peers having "grandchildren" as you get older. Friends will naturally be far more tied up with their growing families for time with a friend who doesn't understand. I know it sounds harsh (and good for you for being happy with your choices ) but that smugness might not last forever when you're older, vulnerable and in a slightly less "usual" situation than your peers. My aunt never had children (not entirely through choice ) and she felt so depressed in old age when all her sisters died and she had no first degree relatives and beyond. (Although she had us it wasn't the same )

Also, truthfully, although life is incredibly busy at times , my children are my world and they bring me untold joy. I don't get people that moan about kids and parenting. Sure, it's busy. But i don't find it hard work. i feel lucky . Incredibly lucky.

I know all this and still feel fine not having chlildren. I would never ever have considered having them so that I would not be lonely in old age a) because I know it doesn't work like that and b) because children shouldn't be planned to be or used as support tools. I would caution people against making them "your whole life" because having kids comes with zero guarantees.

Confessionsthrowaway · 17/10/2025 12:39

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 12:32

I'm always kind and supportive to friends without children, so it really doesn't matter in the slightest that I privately think their lives sound depressing. We're all entitled to our own thoughts and feelings.

My point was, I wouldn't always take everything people say at face value, specifically those saying they would prefer your child-free life over their own.

Maybe not. However, I can assure you that more people than you would like to think regret having kids. That said, those are more likely the ones not to admit it, so maybe you're right.

TeachMeSomething · 17/10/2025 12:40

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 12:32

I'm always kind and supportive to friends without children, so it really doesn't matter in the slightest that I privately think their lives sound depressing. We're all entitled to our own thoughts and feelings.

My point was, I wouldn't always take everything people say at face value, specifically those saying they would prefer your child-free life over their own.

I'm always kind and supportive to friends without children

...implying that, because these friends don't have children, they need your kindness and support! How insulting!

TorroFerney · 17/10/2025 12:44

Fairyliz · 16/10/2025 18:11

Don’t we all 😂. MN wouldn’t exist if we weren’t all judging other people, or at least it would be a lot more boring.

Yes I always find the "I am judging you for that" or conversely "how can you be so judgmental I would never be like that" comments on threads quite perplexing, we all make judgements about people and situations all the time, it's how our brains evolved to keep us safe and why we are so successful as a species.

Thatsalineallright · 17/10/2025 12:45

TeachMeSomething · 17/10/2025 12:40

I'm always kind and supportive to friends without children

...implying that, because these friends don't have children, they need your kindness and support! How insulting!

Christ you're really nitpicking now.

The first poster said how happy she is not having kids and that several friends have said they envied her life.

The poster you're arguing with pointed out that you can't take comments like that at face value, giving the example that she herself says similar stuff even though she is very happy to have children.

And in fact the original poster also admitted to telling white lies to friends ("oh I'm sure that's not true" etc).

So they're both happy in their choices and both tell white lies occasionally to keep social situations running smoothly.

Why is that a problem?

SmallDogsAreScary · 17/10/2025 12:45

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 12:02

I pity them because, to me, it sounds like a lonely life.

What else should I say when they're telling me about a weekend spent alone, or having Christmas lunch at a local pub with friends? I can't say "bloody hell, that sounds depressing" so I pretend it sounds wonderful instead. No harm done.

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I'm child free by choice. It's rather sad and pathetic that you imagine a weekend alone is depressing. To me it is wonderful. I also love not having any pressure on me to celebrate Christmas in any way whatsoever, I can do whatever I want.
Save your pity for the people who are disappointed that their kids won't be spending Christmas with them yet again.

You really don't need to pretend anything to people who are confident with their life choices and have no regrets.
It's about time this pitying of childless women died out - it's embarrassing. Not all of us long for babies. Not all of us feel lonely with a life of solitude.

Thatsalineallright · 17/10/2025 12:47

TorroFerney · 17/10/2025 12:44

Yes I always find the "I am judging you for that" or conversely "how can you be so judgmental I would never be like that" comments on threads quite perplexing, we all make judgements about people and situations all the time, it's how our brains evolved to keep us safe and why we are so successful as a species.

True! Making judgements is not a bad thing at all. In fact I wish more people would judge others on their choices and behaviour. For a start it might stop them from ignoring obvious red flags in a relationship.

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 12:47

TeachMeSomething · 17/10/2025 12:40

I'm always kind and supportive to friends without children

...implying that, because these friends don't have children, they need your kindness and support! How insulting!

I'm not implying anything. Surely everybody could do with kindness and support in their life. As I've said, it sounds like a depressing life to me, but I would never say that to them. So I always make sure I'm kind and supportive about it, almost overly so. Why would it matter what my private thoughts are on the matter?

For people so secure in their life choices there's a heck of a lot of bitterness showing.

CallBackPlease · 17/10/2025 12:53

SmallDogsAreScary · 17/10/2025 12:45

I'm child free by choice. It's rather sad and pathetic that you imagine a weekend alone is depressing. To me it is wonderful. I also love not having any pressure on me to celebrate Christmas in any way whatsoever, I can do whatever I want.
Save your pity for the people who are disappointed that their kids won't be spending Christmas with them yet again.

You really don't need to pretend anything to people who are confident with their life choices and have no regrets.
It's about time this pitying of childless women died out - it's embarrassing. Not all of us long for babies. Not all of us feel lonely with a life of solitude.

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It's about time this pitying of childless women died out - it's embarrassing. Not all of us long for babies. Not all of us feel lonely with a life of solitude.

Exactly. Whilst I do have kids and no regrets, I have made other life decisions and would hate to be pitied or shown love and kindness for them! That implies an unhappiness which isn’t there. Patronising as hell!

TigTails · 17/10/2025 12:54

Thatsalineallright · 16/10/2025 22:45

Thank you for phoning the police. You're a good person in a terrible situation. I hope you allow yourself to have friends in the future.

I agreed if this happened to one of my friends I’d be horrified at the thought of her blaming herself!

Thatsalineallright · 17/10/2025 12:55

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 12:47

I'm not implying anything. Surely everybody could do with kindness and support in their life. As I've said, it sounds like a depressing life to me, but I would never say that to them. So I always make sure I'm kind and supportive about it, almost overly so. Why would it matter what my private thoughts are on the matter?

For people so secure in their life choices there's a heck of a lot of bitterness showing.

I have no idea why you're being jumped on for your innocuous post. You're pleased you have kids and privately pity people who don't have them. Others are pleased they don't have kids and privately pity people who have them. Everyone except a few posters is happy to live and let live. There really isn't any issue to get het up about.

Bagpuss1200 · 17/10/2025 12:59

Lilaclane · 16/10/2025 11:04

This has been a refreshing thread!

  • I haven’t worked for four months after being bullied out of a senior role. I fantasise about beating up the nasty young women who made my life so difficult. But to others I am gracious and unbelievably upbeat. My new job starts in the new year but I.. give no shits
  • I often experience suicidal feelings and find life as a single woman in her late 30s a total drain lot of the time. Sour romances, non-stop bills, society’s obsession for women to look no older than 23. I lost my dad to dementia when I was 30 and it tore me up to see him deteriorate. Sometimes I think it would be nice to just.. disappear. I would never act on this thought
  • I can’t stand people showing me photos from their camera reels. Especially if they’re photos of a child I’ll never meet! I have to bite back to urge to tell them not to bother because I couldn’t care less.
  • i doubt a lot of people have autism/adhd/audhd/are non binary - take your pick. I believe this claim to a label is often attention/identity seeking masquerading as a legitimate health issue. I think they’re often just bellends!

thanks for that. Feel a bit lighter but definitely a bad human

You are not a bad person, well if you are then so am I as your life seems to mirror mine, and I wish I could disappear also!

LexMitior · 17/10/2025 13:06

Modern day workplaces are rubbish, I don’t believe in DEI. It mostly seems to be an excuse for me to totally start from scratch with someone who actually isn’t up to the role when they start.

I still go to all the training, but it annoys me so much in reality that DEI is giving me worse people to work with rather than people who can just do the work.

This is not something I can ever say

TeachMeSomething · 17/10/2025 13:08

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 12:47

I'm not implying anything. Surely everybody could do with kindness and support in their life. As I've said, it sounds like a depressing life to me, but I would never say that to them. So I always make sure I'm kind and supportive about it, almost overly so. Why would it matter what my private thoughts are on the matter?

For people so secure in their life choices there's a heck of a lot of bitterness showing.

Okay, let's try it the other way around...

"I'm always kind and supportive to friends who have children."

It's nonsensical, isn't it? And unnecessary. You just wouldn't say it.

Likewise, if someone is childfree , i.e., they have made the choice not to have children, why would they need you to make a point about your kindness and support?

TattooStan · 17/10/2025 13:11

I'm childfree by choice and it's so bloody boring to see debates back and forth about the benefits to having or not having children.
It's 2025 and I don't think many people give a fuck.
You can have pink hair and identify as a cat and noones that bothered!

itsallpoppycock · 17/10/2025 13:12

LillyPJ · 17/10/2025 08:59

Your username is definitely appropriate because your comment is pure conspiracy theory poppycock.

Thank you for your response. Only 9/10 for predictability, though. You failed to mention tin foil hats.

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 13:13

TeachMeSomething · 17/10/2025 13:08

Okay, let's try it the other way around...

"I'm always kind and supportive to friends who have children."

It's nonsensical, isn't it? And unnecessary. You just wouldn't say it.

Likewise, if someone is childfree , i.e., they have made the choice not to have children, why would they need you to make a point about your kindness and support?

I have friends who don't want children. If I tell them about a kids party we threw, they will say "that sounds fun!" when realistically they probably think it sounds like Hell. It's absolutely no different to that, is it? Friends being kind and supportive of each other's life choices, regardless of their private feelings on the matter.

You're taking offence at nothing.

Thatsalineallright · 17/10/2025 13:15

TeachMeSomething · 17/10/2025 13:08

Okay, let's try it the other way around...

"I'm always kind and supportive to friends who have children."

It's nonsensical, isn't it? And unnecessary. You just wouldn't say it.

Likewise, if someone is childfree , i.e., they have made the choice not to have children, why would they need you to make a point about your kindness and support?

You would say it if you're being accused of being mean and patronising to your friends with kids. Hint: posters were accusing her of exactly that.

godmum56 · 17/10/2025 13:17

TeachMeSomething · 17/10/2025 12:40

I'm always kind and supportive to friends without children

...implying that, because these friends don't have children, they need your kindness and support! How insulting!

yup.....I am always kind and supportive to friends WITH children!!

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 17/10/2025 13:18

amibeingaknob · 17/10/2025 11:16

That all love is conditional. We are socialised to believe (especially as women) that we will always unconditionally love our children. I believed that - I don't believe that to be true anymore. I dont love my eldest adult child. She is simply a very horrible ugly person, and I am glad she is no longer in my life. I don't miss her at all, I haven't seen her for years, and she got back in touch a few months back, and she was ugly as ever, and I want nothing to do with her ever. I don't love her, like her, or miss her. I try to never think about her.

I feel I can never admit this in real life as it would make me a monster.

I have said this outloud to DP before who felt entitled to unconditional love from me.

My love is conditional. It's conditional because I have boundaries and it's conditional because I have expectations.

He feels that's rather transactional, but so what?

Life is transactional. I looked after him through ill health and that took a long time, now I expect him to look after me through ill health but he feels that he is displaying unconditional love towards me by doing that when I can guarantee he wouldn't have bothered if I'd have left him to it when he was down and struggling.

My nan has a son who is a schizophrenic, alcoholic, drug abusing, intentionally homeless, poor decision making drain on finances and sanity who has been in and out of prison with absolutely no hope of rehabilitation. A few years ago he had a stroke after getting his head caved in by someone at his communal living facility for talking to the voices about murdering everybody in the building which is a common theme for his schizophrenia that used to terrify me as a child, and while part of me has empathy that he's not had an easy life he's had everybody's future inheritance thrown at him in a bid to help him rehabilitate to the point that my nan needs me to live with her as much as I need her to live with me just so we can stay alive. She really wished he'd not pulled through after the stroke, the liver failure, the kidney failure, and the multiple overdoses. She doesn't love him, or like him, he is just a burden but she feels guilt for bringing him into this world and not being able to stop him getting to this point in his 50 years of life.

Equally I have a cousin who only ever talks about money. She always wants money, but she never just asks "can I have £10 please" or "would you please be able to pay for a new set of wheels for my car because I'm short this month?" It's always a fully fabricated exhausting sob story where a question is never asked it's just built up so that she expects to be given money, and if she isn't offered it she razes hell and goes scorched earth with everybody, triangulation, manipulation, wrongly reporting people for benefit fraud, social services, the lot. She is just utterly nasty. I don't understand how she has any friends, unless her friends are all just vile manipulative users like she is and then I guess you are the company you keep. I've known from a really young age she'd be like this. I remember my mum collecting me from our nans house and I was screaming and crying about how horrible she was and my mum said "but if she wasn't here anymore you'd really miss her" and I stopped my crying, wailing and screaming and at 5 years old I said "no, I won't", and my feelings have literally never changed from then.

LillyPJ · 17/10/2025 13:18

itsallpoppycock · 17/10/2025 13:12

Thank you for your response. Only 9/10 for predictability, though. You failed to mention tin foil hats.

If you really believe they found a cure for cancer years ago but are keeping it hidden in order to make more profit, you are beyond reasoning with. I do find it strange that some people are so keen to jump on ridiculous conspiracy bandwagons, but if it makes you feel happy and superior, go ahead.

SmallDogsAreScary · 17/10/2025 13:27

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 13:13

I have friends who don't want children. If I tell them about a kids party we threw, they will say "that sounds fun!" when realistically they probably think it sounds like Hell. It's absolutely no different to that, is it? Friends being kind and supportive of each other's life choices, regardless of their private feelings on the matter.

You're taking offence at nothing.

Edited

Not the same, because to say this:
So I always make sure I'm kind and supportive about it, almost overly so
is actually coming across as a bit creepy 😬

I'd hate to think that any of my friends or family view me as an object of pity and someone that needs to be "supported" for making their own life choices.

CanIbeRio · 17/10/2025 13:28

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 16/10/2025 01:37

When I worked for a call centre, and I got a particularly bad customer, I used to doodle on my whiteboard of what I think they would look like as dogs.

So if you've ever had the opportunity to speak to me at my old job and you've called 5 minutes before closing to tell me that you've not paid your phone bill and we're going to restrict your services because it's the 5th time this year, and then personally blame me for causing you stress when I've explained there's sweet FA I can do about it, the billing department is closed and we had been open ALL DAY to resolve this issue, I probably drew you as a dog. If you ever rang me to tell me your broadband is down and I tell you that it'll be 2 days before we can send an engineer to you, and you tell me that's not acceptable because now you've got to entertain your own kids, I drew you as a dog. If you ever rang me to tell me that your internet speed is 2Mbps but that's because you decided to buy your own land at the arse end of nowhere and build your multi-million pound modern mansion there where there's no street registered, and all you can get is copper, but somehow that's OUR FAULT, dog. If you ever rang me to say you can get better prices on comparison websites, and want me to magic up a discount from my arse and complain incessantly when I can't instead of just using the comparison websites you've preached about, dog. If you ever rang to tell me that you've got a problem entirely within your own domain, but you expect me to send an engineer out for something out of their remit because you're technologically illiterate and then start screaming down the phone at me when I say they can't help you connect your wireless printer to your PC because that's not our problem, toothless chihuahua. If you ever rang first thing on a morning and expected me to be peppy at 8am, when I finished my 10pm end an hour late because the last person I talked to wanted to ask "one last question before you go", dog. If you ever started a sentence with the statement "I've looked on your website, but I can't see..." and then suddenly expect me to see what you can't see, dog.

Bet my colleagues just really thought I liked dogs with how much I was doodling them.

Love this! Made me lsugh so much, but sorry for all your difficult customers

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 13:30

SmallDogsAreScary · 17/10/2025 13:27

Not the same, because to say this:
So I always make sure I'm kind and supportive about it, almost overly so
is actually coming across as a bit creepy 😬

I'd hate to think that any of my friends or family view me as an object of pity and someone that needs to be "supported" for making their own life choices.

There's no need to take my words completely out of context to try to prove how secure you are with your life choices. We get it. You're very happy.

SmallDogsAreScary · 17/10/2025 13:32

namechangetheworld · 17/10/2025 13:30

There's no need to take my words completely out of context to try to prove how secure you are with your life choices. We get it. You're very happy.

There's no need to be patronising. I'm not 5.

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