What are Hamas playing at?

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It’s deeply worrying that Hamas haven’t returned all the dead hostages as agreed. I’ve seen comments saying it’s an impossible task given how Gaza has been reduced to rubble. But if that’s the case, they would have known they had lost the bodies. So why did they agree to return them if they knew they weren’t able to do so?

do raping and killing innocent people is ok by you then? Wow!!! That says a lot.

I don't like the word "fault"

Both sides have been drawn into a situation not of their own making. Sadly the situation has become polarised.

Hamas taking control of Gaza with a charter that promoted the anihilation of the State of Israel was to say the least 'unhelpful'.
As long as Hamas is nearby the Israelis will be 'twitchy' - what a surprise - not.

Israel have a homicidal anti-semetic terrorist group living next door.

However, I don't think the Palestinians have taken the opportunities offered to them.
Years ago I worked with a chap whose grandfather (now deceased ) was a GP in UK. He was a Palestinian from Gaza who took advantage of the scholarships offered by Nasser's Egypt in 1950 and went to medical school in Cairo. Later he moved to UK.
(In fact the Palestinians got quite a good deal under Nasser.)

The Palestinians had a chance to vote for a moderate government but because of a flawed voting system Hamas claimed victory in 2007. Maybe if they had voted overwhelmingly for a moderate candidate this wouldn't have happened ?

Who knows.

We are where we are.

It saddens me that all though your points are valid you see no wrong doings of Israel, as I said they are not innocent in all of this.

You're hilarious.

Where did I say that? If you read back over my posts I stated that I did not support the killing of innocent civilians.

The first line states:

"Although from 1967 until 2005, it was clear that Gaza was effectively occupied by the Israeli army....."

Hamas was founded in 1987.

I'm not arguing about the timeline.

You seem to imply that Hamas is solely responsible for the blockade.

It was.

Hamas took control of Gaza in 2006 with a charter committing to the anihilation of the State of Israel.

Israel took defensive action to protect their civilians.

That's it.

I don't know what the answer is for the Palestinians.

'regular' armed resistance doesn't with because it's like David and Goliath, and they'd never succeed.
Terrorism is just plain wrong and also looses people's sympathy.
Non armed resistance, negotiation and trying to play the long game to statehood also doesn't work - mostly because Israel isn't willing to work towards peace, and they hold all the power. We see that in the West Bank where the government promotes land grabs, the police stand by as unarmed Palestinians are beaten and killed on a daily basis whilst the world turns a blind eye.

So whether they take the path of peace or the path of fighting, nothing seems to actually work.

I think the best option now is to use the increased publicity from Gaza for Palestinians to flood social media, anything and anyone that will listen, with the realities of their lives, and use that to put international pressure on Israel. I'm not sure it'll work, but it's at least something.

If you truly believe, as you’re stating you do, that me saying Jesus Christ is worse than the Israeli government murdering 18,000 children then you are disgusting.

and the pope agrees for the record

Thanks for stepping in 😊. An unbelievable and deeply concerning number of people seem to agree!

But you said hamas had a reason for killing and raping innocent civilians. Do you believe they were justified in killing and raping innocent civilians? What have they achieved? Maybe if they hadn’t done that, 18000 Palestinian people might be alive?

So what justifies what Hamas did?

Show me my post where i said that.

so you support Israel and what they have done? You support Netanyahu and his government? You support the Israeli people who cheer on the slaughter of Palestinians?

I find it horrifying.

If you were living under siege, what would you do? The years of total horror that the Palestinians have been living under is beyond anything we can imagine in our privileged world. @Cheeks4970 you said this. So you seem to be suggesting Hamas were justified in raping abd killing innocent civilians. What do you think they have achieved with this despicable act?

Of course the Pope does not condone violence or rape or murder.

Your persistent and willful disrespect by using the Lord's name in vain combined with the lack of remorse is considered blasphemy against the Holy spirit. Even a murderer can be forgiven should he repent but blasphemy against the Holy spirit is the one and only unforgivable sin.

and Starmer and many MPs are encouraging that
Shame on them and all who do

I believe they have a right to armed resistance against their occupier.

I do not condone the killing or raping of innocent civilians.

In my eyes, anyone defending the Israeli government and their years of occupation and brutality is despicable and I am glad the world can now see the horrors they have endured and continue to endure to this day.

Is that your own words or a quote from Intifada online?

If you don't condone killing and raping innocent civilians, what about lining the streets to cheer the mutilated corpse of a young woman taken from a music festival? Is that armed resistance? I suppose Intifada online says that this never happened and that it is a zionist slur, or set up by Mossad and the Rothchilds.

You keep defending the Israelis and I will continue to believe in freedom for the Palestinians.

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But those people they raped and killed were not armed. Are you saying it’s ok that Hamas killed and murdered innocent people? Wow!!! The only people to blame for the 18000 Palestinian deaths are Hamas. They deliberately attacked innocent people. They are evil.