To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

By industry I mean this type of work. I don’t work with asylum seekers specifically. I work with many different marginalised groups in the third sector in a services delivery role.

I can’t stop thinking about her and her family.

I know that's what you meant.

My point is that you are calling an industry. Marginalised people industry.

Nice,

Same. If only people didn’t take so much time minimising and deflecting on this. He might still have his mother.

Do you genuinely believe that support workers are “bending the rules” and spending time coaching people rather than doing their actual jobs. It’s honestly a bit laughable. These jobs are often so busy that you would be lucky to just be able to do your job without adding in an extra substantial piece of coaching people.

Do you think the numerous people whose hands pass over asylum claims are all lefty’s? That’s so strange/ they are civil servants with many different beliefs.

I just think you have watched and believed a lot of propaganda basically.

It shows how vulnerable we all are because we have no idea who they are.
Why wasn't something triggered when she said she felt unsafe and a security guard was alerted.

Lots of charities in calais used to have socialist ties and they were filmed giving migrants wire cutters and equipment to break through. I'm sure they haven't just gone away.
I know that because there was a riot towards the ferries and people were running along with unite banner etc

I wonder if they ever feel just a little bit complicit.

Whenever I see that utter prat Steven Smith on the telly I want to throw something at it.

You're hopelessly naive. You say you work in the 3rd sector - do you offer benefits advice at all? If so, you'll know when completing pip forms on behalf of clients, how to word each descriptor in order to try and achieve the highest possible scoring. It's exactly the same thing as working with asylum seekers - you'll want a positive outcome for your client so you'll instruct them on all the ' right' things to do and say.

Immigration has always been a part of history whether we ,in this tiny moment of time in the timeline of the world , like it or not. The UK was invaded by romans, vikings, normans and that has contributed to our culture.Britain invaded/ colonised many countries itself too. infrastructure has to be able to deal with immigration though and asylum should be facilitated from abroad to be able to properly screen people before they arrive.

The difference now is the numbers, and i include ilgal immigration in that.
Besides, just be ause something happened in the past doesnt mean we want a repeat. The Vikings raped and pillaged, no thanks to more.

There are many people who coach these people on what to say and do along the way.
You are unbelievably naive if you think otherwise.
I'm sure not every single person who deals with them are 'lefties' but enough to tell them how to be successful in claiming even though they wouldn't meet the criteria.
I think you've just watched mainstream media and swallowed their crap basically.
A bit of critical thinking wouldn't go amiss.

… I’m sorry but this is a bit naive. Immigration has always existed in some format but not in the way we are seeing today.

My point is people have always migrated , all through history, it’s just the way of the world.

And then we seem to have a burgeoning number of ‘human rights’ lawyers evidently main focus is utilising the outdated (or too loosely worded, I’m not sure of the source problem) human rights legislation in support of convicted rapists and murderers to either prevent deportation or string out the process as long as possible.

I understand there has been a case of an immigrant who raped a woman and produced a child which he then used to claim the right to family life, with the help of a ‘human rights’ lawyer presumably.

One of several cases in this article:

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated case. Anicet Mayela, also Congolese, was recently sentenced to ten years in prison for raping and impregnating a 15-year old girl in Oxford. Back in 2005, Mayela’s deportation was blocked on human rights grounds. In late October, the headlines were dominated by the story of an Indian paedophile, known as HS, whose deportation was blocked by the Home Office on the grounds that removing him from the country would interfere with his “right to a family life”.

thecritic.co.uk/something-has-gone-very-wrong-with-human-rights/

This demonisation of people is dangerous.

What's really dangerous, I think, is talking about facts as though they are a form of "demonisation."

@SpaceRaccoon Don't feel bad about your response to your friend. I was equally idealistic until I learned from experience; I think we all are. At least you still knew her years later and were able to apologise! 🌞

People who approve asylum claims don’t all meet them though, it’s a process with several steps and many people involved, it’s not one meeting with one person. And I just don’t believe that support workers are coaching them on any kind of a mass scale. It’s unbelievable to me because it is a low paid job that already sees a lot of burn out. So I don’t think people have the time this would take. It’s much more believable that people from Afghanistan for example have a genuine claim.

I don’t know if mainstream media would really be postive towards asylum seekers either. Negative stories about them get far more air time than negative stories about British people doing an equivalent. They are also slow to break down the myths and disinformation that has grown up around the people arriving on small boats.

Exactly.

The thing is, I would like nothing more than to be proved wrong. I would love to be worrying about nothing and actually look for information to convince me.

People yelling racist and telling me I’m gullible and all this is just a distraction from the exploits of the evil ‘millionaires’ (like the millionaires are the ones stabbing lone women in the head or raping 14 year olds) are just not convincing enough.

And there have always been countries that chose to control their borders instead, eg Japan historically.

Support workers don’t really help people with their claims in that way to be honest. Not from what I’ve seen. This would be a legal matter. Support workers for asylum might give them their options (like if they receive a deportation notice - you would have two options) but mostly their work involves supporting them while they are here rather than spending time on their claim. Many claims are dismissed and people would get very burnt out trying to do that.

The thing is that centuries ago, it was sort of normal to be raped and pillaged by invaders. Less so in the 21st century, at least in the UK.

I dont know if it’s naïve, I think it’s realistic personally. people have always migrated (including Brits) and people have no doubt always complained and been afraid of ‘others’

@sunflower1022 you're the poster in Germany, right? I've seen some shocking changes between when I first visited and now. I remember how incredibly safe Berlin felt in the early 2000s, I'd see lots of women out alone at night.

Men fleeing war take their women and children with them.

Men going to war leave their women and children behind.