To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

Would you have no limits on this?

I agree but also feel the concerns of people are often genuine

we simply do not have the resources to have so many people coming into the country

Groups of young men with nothing to do are always problematic regardless of background, of course most want to work, earn money want to establish relationships, meet new people that’s being humans but they are expected to just hang around and do nothing and this creates problems. Idle hands as the saying goes

and then we do have the differences in cultures, expectations and also that many have suffered trauma all this needs careful managing and support put in place

I would rather more women and young children come, more structure and support given but ultimately that would be less numbers

I really don’t know what people expect who are in support of having unlimited numbers of asylum seekers the country is in a bad place we can only help so much

Who is making those camps awful and dangerous? Which specific cohort of humans?

@PeonyPatch What about the increasing number of defences of rapists/sex offenders (and this is only those I’ve read about) that “cultural differences” is to blame?

You are right that we have a shedload of “our own” vile men - but if a standard defence of incomers is now “cultural” surely that is not good news for women and girls?

Anyone else seen this horrific case? No idea of these men came here as asylum seekers or not as the article doesn't specify, but people will draw their conclusions:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/three-jailed-enfield-rape-imprisonment-wood-green-crown-court-a4406911.html

@PeonyPatch i don’t think anyone is denying there are crimes / rapes committed by people who live here. But if they are born here what can we do? What we can do though, is prevent an influx of men coming over who are highly likely to commit more of it. In my job I see the issues first hand and it’s so worrying to read comments like yours. Why have you no concerns about thousands of men coming over from counties who have no regard for women, coming over in mass groups, living together in groups near school, nurseries, in the centres of towns and many of them committing crimes, sexual assault and even murder. Is that not a concern for you just because they aren’t all doing it? Do you think airport security should be void and passports should be void? Do you think we should all be able to travel where and when we like with no security checks and no documentation?

There is a hotel not far from me housing majority men and it’s well known they go out at night and prey on young drunk girls. Females are being warned by the door staff to be careful and not to wander off alone on a night out near this hotel.

Also to add, the majority will go straight onto benefits if they get access to the public purse and they will stay on benefits. The benefits system needs a complete overhaul in general but that’s another issue.

Can you back any of this up, or are you basing this on hear’say or limited experience? especially the bit about coming here, receiving benefits and staying on benefits.

I do care about the concerns that you have raised. Contrary to what others on this thread may believe, I actually do. I do not wish to fall into a trap of brandishing all refugees and asylum seekers as bad. I think that’s inherently wrong, and it is xenophobic, and that doesn’t fit with my values as a person. In the same vein, I am not sympathising for those who come over here and commit crimes and sponge off the system. I have zero tolerance for any man who commits any form of abuse towards women and girls in our communities. Absolutely unacceptable.

I disagree that they all disregard women, and I don’t think you or anyone can truly say that. That is an emotional opinion. I believe that there are some who are genuinely trying to better their lives and circumstances. I think that they deserve support and a proper vetting and processing process. At the end of the day, they are human beings. We do live in a country that believes in innocent until proven guilty. I do believe we ought to cap who we let in as well, and I feel we need a points based system similar to what other countries use.

I hope that you can respect my views, and I’ll happily respect yours and we may need to agree to disagree but they deserve to be treated fairly, and you can still be cautious about it as well.

And what’s the point of sharing that here? Are you trying to whip up even more hate towards foreigners? They might even be British for all you know. Oh no, but they’re black!!!

No, that’s not good news for women and girls. Absolutely not. How can you prove it’s definitely down to culture though? What if it’s multi-factorial? What if it’s because they are simply evil? This just furthers my point that ALL ethnicities, races, religions etc will be perpetrators of crime and the fact a crime has taken place is what matters, not their religion or race.

I don’t wish to fall into thinking like white is good and dark means evil.

Do you realise how cynical the mood is when people see cases like this and are then told "oh these are British men, you're racist?"
The grooming gangs are a good case in point.

Anyway yes you're right, I have no idea if these are asylum seekers or not, but I do have an idea of what people will think and assume, and that's the point. The anger genie is out of the bottle, and berating people and calling them bigoted will not put it back in.

To add - of course any non-white, integrated British person is no more likely to offend than the average, and I would include the majority of law-abiding immigrants in this.

Having our heads in the sand about the asylum issue, especially around the hotels, and more broadly the recent extremely high immigration levels, does them a disservice and makes the UK a less welcoming place.

Good, then hopefully they might stay away but they won’t

That is a ridiculous comment. Just because you’re angry doesn’t give you a right to be prejudice against a race - which is what you are doing by the way

@PeonyPatch of course, everyone has different views and I respect that.

I see the evidence daily but obviously I can’t be saying too much on a public forum. It’s not just refugees though, the amount of people claiming benefits and who are out of work is at an all time high. The system is being taking advantage of in general.

I don’t think all our troubles are due to immigration but I do recognise it is an issue. And I also don’t think all refugees and asylum seekers are bad but I do think there are too many who aren’t here for the right reasons and there’s been too many incidents that show women are at risk by some of them being here. That’s not to say we aren’t already at risk, we are. But it’s really concerning there are people out there who seem be minimising genuine concerns.

I think people should be helped but it can’t be a free for all. If everyone is to be trusted on face value why do we have to prove anything in day to day life? Why do we have ID, passports, receipts, passwords, etc etc.

Unfortunately in all walks of life the ones in genuine need usually lose out because of the ones who try and take advantage of kindness and then it gets out of hand.

Everyone keeps going back to the grooming gangs. You do realise there are many many many many other instances of crime in this country that is not perpetrated by one race. What the grooming gang did was horrific. Yet I also read of a paedophile gang in Scotland that was all white people male and female. Didn’t get nearly as much media attention.

I AM listening to you and what you’re saying and I hear your fears and concerns, I’m just inviting you to open up your perspective and consider that maybe this isn’t necessarily a race or foreigners problem.

Honestly, the world is going backwards.

This is a good, balanced post. I agree with a lot of your points.

The benefits system has absolutely been exploited. It makes me really angry as I work full time and I’m entitled to absolutely no benefits, so I feel completely shafted because I am essentially paying for some people’s benefit lifestyles. Meanwhile I have to wait 4-6 weeks for a GP appointment in my area.

Another huge issue (even bigger than immigration) in my opinion is capitalism has gone too far and corporations and billionaires are exploiting everyone across the world. Just look at the profits made by energy companies, supermarkets… but no, immigrants are the problem. The elites and politicians want you all to hate on foreigners so they can get your vote and probably exploit you further.

@PeonyPatch

The emperor is naked. Don’t be scared to say so.

What does that even mean? Don’t be cryptic and just speak…

Just been reading about the Sudanese asylum seeker who stabbed asylum hotel receptionist Rhiannon Whyte 23 times in the head and deprived her 5 year old son of his mother.

Sorry, but I will never be one of the people lobbying for a more open asylum system.

I know, the things I see in my job role, it makes me despair. It worries me how many people are dependent on the state and how much we actually pay out in benefits. I know many people feel their standard of living has reduced over the past few years and I think this also contributes to peoples anger with things like this. Some people are barely keeping a roof over their heads at the moment and the more people who take from the pot rather than contributing will only make things worse. But like I say, this isn’t just refugees, it’s turning into a way of life for many brits. They need to be able to help people in need but have so many more boundaries than they do now to stop that pot/ help being abused.

I'm not particularly speaking for myself here. But I'm seeing a lot of people riled up now.
You may dislike it, just as you clearly dislike the statistics on offending but there it is.

You can see the problems. You can see how dangerous the current situation is. You can see how it’s poor women who are most likely to shoulder the burden. You’re just too frightened to admit it. You’d rather pretend to be ignorant of those facts so you can continue to feel superior to people who are actually impacted by these men.

Ik. If only people had listened earlier.

Guess you've never read the empires new clothes