To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

I keep going for the lurkers.

Good point.

??? this dosent even make sense.
Most are healthy, economic migrants heavily influenced by social media looking for a western life they've been sold as aspirational. These guys aren't malnourished, they're strikingly healthy/well groomed/well dressed

( before you say 'Why shouldn't they be!!' They are not the victims of conflict your painting them out to be, and have non of the hallmarks of this.
they are making ecomonics descions that we can't accommodate)

The majority will have links to criminal gangs already operating in the UK and will be 'silently absorbed' in to that system.

Many groups arriving aren't even in active conflict - Albanians for example have some of highest crossing rates but no war or conflicts.

They are also involved and charged/convicted with some of highest rates of crime.

( that's not 'racist' but it is culturally and sysmetically relivant to understanding gang crime)

'As for willingness to "break the law" that's probably the least if their concerns.'

They've committed a crime to come here illegally

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It’s not actually against the law to enter the country irregularly once you claim asylum on entry. There are very few legal routes to claiming asylum.

Violent crime has decreased significantly over the last two decades. Yet people seem to think it is more unsafe than ever! I just worry about this increasingly common viewpoint. This vision that the place is awash with lawlessness is what got Trump voted in.

Do you have a mobile phone?

Go out in Central London, use it in plain view, it and report back to us.

So all these young men of fighting age are going to pop on their gloves and wipe the elderly s backsides. Get real, they are economic migrants ready to bleed the system dry.

For everyone that is happy to keep letting boat fulls in where are they going to live once they've been processed and approved?

What you are saying has no basis in fact. This year most small boat people are from Afghanistan, Entria and Iran. Countries where large numbers of people are suffering human rights abuses. Most claim asylum- so they don’t get “absorbed” into the underground. It’s not against the law to come to the country irregularly once you claim asylum on entry.

Most illegal immigrants are actually visa over stays - which is there an issue with.

Why do they come to Britain? There are much closer counties to Afghanistan, Iraq and Eritrea.

Other countries fight to the death over their borders being invaded. We're expected to sit back and welcome an be so understanding.

That sounds like a backwards loop hole.

The vast majority do not seek ' asylum' they are not fleeing from conflict.
They are young and adventurous and have been sold a lifestyle from social media and people smuggler's.

And you can see that if you'd want to, because that's what's comming out of tiktok and the like.

I'm sure there are genuine refugees but what we are seeing isn't that.

It’s not that I agree that people arriving in small boats irregularly is a good thing. It’s dangerous for them, it’s adhoc and difficult to deal with. It’s just that the issue has been blown out of proportion by those who wish to use the issue to gain power. From memory I think asylum seekers make up about 6% of immigration and half of them arrive by small boat.

I think it is more that I disagree how the issue should be dealt with. This demonisation of people is dangerous.

The vast majority do put in an asylum claim though - 95%. And they successfully get asylum at rates of 68% . Those percentages are facts which you might not see on TikTok

Yup that's the way it works

Most don’t come to Britain though. Most asylum seekers in the world are situated in the global south, often in sprawling refugee camps where they stay in complete poverty with few opportunities to change their lot. Which is why some of the young and the fit are willing to make the dangerous journey to Europe.

Those are genuine stats. I don’t know what to say to you. You aren’t looking at the facts and I think that’s what makes discussing this so hard.

I don’t think small boat arrivals are a good thing: but at least if we were all talking factually it would be possible to resolve the issue. The fact that so many believe utter lies is the most problematic issue.

Well you either want this system or a different one. It’s not working so changing it sounds good.

Men will pretend to be in gay relationships to claim asylum. They are coached by charities and support workers to say whatever they need to.

There's a video of a mp talking about how she will bend the law to support people's applications.

Again not saying there aren't real people who fit the criteria but it's eye-watering to think how the modern left dismiss all questionable issues in a sweeping motion.

No I wasn't being sarcastic, I mean that's the gaming of the system. I'm sure they are claiming asylum but wrongfully so.
I've watched a lot of videos from people who have worked in the hotels and they detail how mirgrants are getting coached on what boxes to tick to meet the criteria.

From ideologically sympathic uk citizens who see it as as a good thing

Ok so you accept that the vast majority do put in a claim but you think those that win those claims do so fraudulently?

I think you need to ask yourself how likely it is that support workers and charity workers are coaching people. Is this a co ordinated approach? So is it written out in the policies and training practices of those organisations? Or are each of them spontaneously doing this as lone actors?

Habing worked in this industry - this is something I would absolutely dispute.

MPs don’t decide asylum claims. It’s a long and throughout process to decide claims. And many small boat arrivals are coming from places where they are more likely to be at risk. So I’m not surprised by the high success rate.

I think there's a cultural standard in today's 'left' to 'sheild' those they perceive as vulnerable and with that a lot of bending of the rules.

People on this this thread are not expressing 'hate' for immigrants as people but unease with immigration as it today, unchecked, and In mass levels.

I'm at the point where I think it's no longer the UK's problem, tbh, not if it's at the expense of the safety of women and children - one rape, one murder, is one too many.
I see that even the EU is starting to discuss the scope of the ECHR, and leaving it has obviously been mooted in the UK.

The treaties put in place post second world war aren't really fit for purpose in an age with these levels of mass global migration.

It's interesting that you call it 'industry'.

Stats and posts along the same lines have been running for years. It’s the same way to get people to accept what we have.

Now Rhiannon’s five year old boy doesn’t have his mother and no one took the time to consider why the system we have is a problem.

The utter denial, cries of racism and accusations of ‘falling for lies’ I used to see in Germany back in the day.

Not so much these days as more and more people are waking up.

And no, we aren’t all Nazis or Fascists.