To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

Trivializing an abhorrent crime committed by some new arrivals because it is also committed by some existing nationals is a pretty sick way of looking at things in my opinion.

Do you know the criminal records and background of your neighbours, colleagues, postman, visiting tradesman , family members? No you don’t. So don’t pretend everyone in your life is somehow. ‘safe and approved’ because they have a passport.
I agree the news stories are tragic and awful but there are more in every local area where the perpetrators are British citizens.

This is just not a good enough argument. You are talking about people breaking into the country. Not the people who already live here. We can deal with our own criminals but we should be strict about who we let in so we don't bring in any more.

Our own criminals have a right to be here. Immigrant criminals don't.

I am staggered by the people trying to excuse all of this and we should welcome these young men of whom we no nothing about. Men who have medivial views of women, who think their religous beliefs need to be forced on us. Who lie about the age.

Perhaps they would like to take a couple into their houses? I remember back when the Urkaine people were looking for people to host them whilst the war was going on. Its funny how people were saying of course they would host but.... always an excuse as to why others should do something.

I live in a desirable part of the UK. I know I do. Its a bubble. However I am originally from a large city and when I go back to visit I see how much it has changed for the worse.

It still makes sense to check who enters, and that’s not possible with the current system.

Another poor woman gang-raped a few weeks ago by asylum seekers in Brighton.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/brighton-beach-rape-asylum-seeker-b1253367.html

It’s really simple- we don’t let in males from these North African and Middle Eastern countries because our cultures are incompatible. They do not recognize women’s rights in those countries and we need to protect the women here. I’m sorry if that means we can’t help some people from countries that may need it, but this is just common sense. We need to look after our citizens first and foremost. Our women’s safety here matters and must take precedence. It is extremely naive to think that these men will magically abandon the misogyny that they were raised in.

Can anyone explain why if this isn’t related to culture etc, we never see similar stories of men from Hong Kong gang raping women (or raping them at all, really) or murdering anyone? Even though we have had 150,000 arrivals from HK since 2021?

Yes submission to Islam by stealth and numbers

goodbye to our freedom of worship

It doesn’t impact them.

They either work in a capacity in which they financially gain from the issue or they live in an affluent area which cushions them from the negative consequences.

But legal migration isn't an issue. We need those people, or we wouldn't be letting them in. It's not easy to come here legally. We didn't make it easy for Ukrainians either.

We have a housing crisis but we have enough houses. People need to give up their second, holiday and empty homes and we'll go a long way to housing everyone. And also stop people turning a 2 bed house into a 4 bed house - keep affordable homes affordable (relatively speaking).

I am not keen on a load of sexist men coming here. We have enough of our own, we don't need any more of them.

Don’t you all feel the government is trying to deflect our attention onto this issue rather than all the other shit that is happening and being done by labour? It’s a clever tactic and our people are very clever in blindsiding others. Look how the English being such a small place conquered nearly half the world! I would relax about this and think what they are trying to hide from you.

Having men that murder women in this country already is not an argument to let more murderous men in.

Obviously not all men on small boats are murderous or terrorists but some are.

If this man was at least detained while his ‘claim’ was processed (turns out he was a known terrorist from Egypt) , this poor woman wouldn’t had had her life turned upside down.

Why are some people so dismissive of the threat to women?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gv24w9vr8o?app-referrer=deep-link

No. I don’t really listen to the government and it seems that they are just keen for it all to go away. Unfortunately that’s not going to happen.

Now the people traffickers their networks and business model firmly established, it till continue. How many undocumented men, some of whom are known terrorists, rapists and murderers who claim that they didn’t know rape was illegal here shall we let in to wander freely? A million, 2 million?

No. If anything I think they desperately want this issue to go away as it will lose them the election to Reform.

The police would know though, wouldn’t they? And you’d be able to request information in line with Claire’s law. And the serial rapists and murderers would be in prison or being monitored.

Or do you think we should get rid of criminal records altogether? As you seem to think they pose no benefit to society

But we’ve let 8 million of them in and our NHS etc still needs people urgently apparently. So is it even working?

Well sort of apart from people can generally see what is happening around them? So no deflection would really work.

I think you are right to want to follow the evidence.

The UK doesn’t make it easy to do so, but other European countries do publish violent crime data by national origin.

Some origins are lower than British nationals in perpetrator rate (about a third of them). But countries from which UK illegal immigration comes are almost all higher offending. And the countries near the top are massive higher offending.

Unless we have good reason to think that we are getting an extremely differently-filtered group from those countries of origin (or that German and Danish police are absurdly biased against certain countries’ immigrants but not others), I think our base assumption should be that those countries’ immigrants are much higher offending than average here too.

Would you disagree, and if so why?

We aren’t talking a little more likely, we are talking many times the offending rate. We’d have to have pattens totally different from Germany and Denmark for your intuition to be correct.

(Not true of immigrants as whole, but that not the OP’s claim).

You've shared one graph that shows conviction rates by nationality in Denmark for other nationalities that are at most <10% of the norm, excluding all the other nationalities that are <0%. You could argue courts are more enthusiastic about convincting other nationalities, or they the police don't catch enough Danish suspects.

You've also shared an extraordinary specific graph about suspects for gang rapes in Germany. If the police suspect "Africans" (and I thought you said this said there was data here...) what relevance is that to who committed a crime? And how many gang rapes does Germany actually investigate?

Like - I suspect people who post irrelevant crime data on immigration are motivated by being racist as fuck. But that's not the same as proving it.

You say there's no data that makes your case in the UK, ignoring all the boringly inconclusive data from the Migration Observatory. So uh yeah - you're the one trying to make the extraordinary claim, you need to make the argument. But maybe on a board full of women - maybe just don't?

Sexual violence happens in families & communities, by people who know their victim. Asylum seekers in the system are like 0.001% of the population. It's the men you already know who will commit it - take a look around your friends, check their behaviour, and you'll have far more of an effect than posting this rubbish.

Young men of all backgrounds love adventure and bravado. 99% of them don't die, there's very little real risk and seen it's a badge of honor.
Plus they are actively told by NGOs and people smuggler's that Britain is paved with gold and preferable promised land.
They are also told that white people owe them something.

I know people who have volunteered at the mirgrant camps and this is the narrative these guys are fed.

White people who want to 'be kind' are woefully naive.

They are ecomonics migrants happy to leave their wider families because they want what is perceived as a better quality of life and they openly laugh at the uk for being so stupid.

This is engineered by corporate interests who are doing land grabs around mineral rich areas - they don't want to pay the people a fair price for there own countries wealth and they contuine to carve it up for themselves. Its 'late stage capitalism'

So if we have already got our own criminals, why do we need more.

We don't want other people's rejects.

This is a disgusting attitude. Why would you think they're more likely to be criminals? Their asylum claims depend on not offending.

A version of events supported by the fact the murdered lady was called a ‘fucking bitch’ for giving one of them to ‘wrong’ free biscuits.

This alone makes me furious for some reason.

Your friends who have worked with migrants have very different experiences to mine.

A better system would actually check who enters,