To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

Sigh. How I hate whataboutism and how you are conflating one issue with another.

So are they responsible for their actions if they commit crimes or is it the system's fault?

You mean he’s an excellent liar. It’s because of Brexit we can’t send the boats back something that Farage forgot to mention would happen. And how did he pay for his Clacton home? Not to mention his close advisors and associates accepting Russian bribes. Reform are a disaster they can’t run their own councils properly and there won’t be any NHS when they’re in.

Labour are doing well the IMF has predicted that we will be the second fastest economy in the G7. Labour created the NHS and are investing into it. The conservative government at the time voted against it 14 times its not their priority.

Look at the US their federal government is currently in shutdown and one of the reasons democrats are sticking to the shutdown is because healthcare insurance in many cases is set to double or triple and be more than most people’s mortgages - do you want that in the U.K. with a Reform govt? And over 15 million Americans will be without healthcare just so they can give some billionaires a tax cut.

Sigh. How I hate racism.

Ah forgot bigots don’t recognise logic.

So because most women are killed by their partners we shouldn't be concerned about men who are murderers or sex offenders coming over unchecked in boats. Right.

Both. They're responsible for their actions and are held accountable for that, but certain social conditions will make certain actions and decisions more likely and that needs to be addressed if we want to see improvement.

I'm sorry, but that is absolutely bonkers! Staying in a hotel for an extended amount of time turns good, decent men into rapists and murderers?! Pull the other one. I don't get why you will do anything to defend men who commit these crimes. Do you honesty believe your own words?

Maybe the sheets are the wrong thread count?

How do we address those certain actions and decisions?

Look around you.
Government saying to have more Children to predominantly white families who cannot AFFORD this. Muslim families having 8 children at least, the Father allowed to marry 3 wives and all have 8 children each, that's 24 children all paid for by us tax payers. They are taking over, that's the Qurans goal - take over the Western world. It's such a shame you can't see it.

Yes,I've heard it all now so that would definitely be amongst the excuses for justifying rape and violence I'm sure! I just can't get my head round posters with this type of twisted logic : do they genuinely believe their own words? It's taking feminism back a hundred years, but seemingly that's ok, because they're defending more ' worthwhile ' causes like undocumented males and the subsequent crimes against women some go on to commit. It's truly hateful and a slap in the face to families, such as poor Rhiannon s, who not only have to deal with their daughter being murdered but also the fact that a large section of society will DEFEND these hideous crimes.

Seems you can’t recognise logic either…

Because generally a rape only makes national news if it’s committed by a migrant. If every rape made national news it would be all men we feared not just those from abroad

That is absolutely not true.

Stranger rape is very rare to the extent it always makes the news. 90% of rapes are carried out by a person known to the victim.

Stop trying to excuse it.

Surprise surprise these men crossed the Channel in a small boat.

I’m disgusting at the level of denialism. It’s Rotherham all over again.

Or the biscuits the wrong kind according to the disgusting abuse the murdered lady received from her another woman hating ‘migrant’ in the article above.

If only it was logic.

Apparently so.

These hotels have been repurposed to house people who left their homes for various reasons. They felt strongly enough that their life changes were bad enough in their home countries that they were willing to travel across the world to a country that they most likely know will not welcome them with open arms.

They then undertook a journey fraught with risks. They travelled through countries where they knew their chance of asylum was low. They came across the English channel on a boat, where they know there is a risk of death.

Then they were detained for months. It's a hotel that's been repurposed to house asylum seekers. It's not the Hilton. They will have met people who were then deported - 32% of asylum claims are rejected of those arrivals on small boats. They have no rights in this country beyond basic human rights. Asylum seekers are in hotels for detention. To contain them.

I don't know about you but that's a lot of things that I've never experienced. I am not saying that it justifies any crime, but it does explain why so many asylum seekers take their own lives.

While any one murder is utterly unacceptable, the wider picture is that asylum seekers and migrants commit fewer crimes than people born in the UK.

Yet left their wives, daughters, mothers behind, sometimes for years.

The interests of the citizens of the UK are more important than someone trying to get in here illegally. No matter how good the back story.

Rape is rape who ever does it. Maybe if women were made more aware of familial rape by them being reported in the news they would fear the right people. Why is it only worthy of news and something we must fear when it’s by a stranger

Do we need to import more rapists? From countries where men have a very different view of women. Women like our daughters who may prefer to go out not covered from head to toe and are therefore fair game? Young men who may not come from countries where sex is liberal and women are allowed to say no?

You may like to pretend that most British men have the same attitude to women as a lot of the boat men but that is simply untrue. If we have been bringing up our boys in that way then we are all in trouble.

What I struggle to get my head around is if somebody got off a plane at one of our airports and fail to produce the correct passport/documentation then they get detained questioned at the very least and often returned.

However arrive by boat from France and you are put up in a hotel where you can come and go as you please.

How does that many any sense?

It doesn’t. In theory if they didn’t have the right documents they wouldn’t have been able to board the plane to start with otherwise there is zero doubt in my mind they would all pile in that way.