To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

Posters have been using the argument in your last paragraph for a few years. It’s pretty much lost its impact for the discussion on how to deal with this.

Well I think better to refrain from "calling out" things. People just find it offensive and rude particularly if you are wrong. And also of course it's none of your business.

We can't take the world. We can look after our own continent.

I'm sorry I think that's a cop out. Especially when people are talking about political change in a country- if that's being done because they are racist and simply don't like or want a particular type of person in the country because of their skin colour or ethnicity then I think we've a duty to say something about that. The UK is becoming more openly racist and hate crimes are increasing and that's because people feel emboldened by conversations they're seeing, particularly around immigration and that's a dangerous undercurrent we need to be aware of.

ETA if you don't this of this as a concern or any of my business, people out protesting immigration in my area recently started to smash the houses of anyone non white in the area, someone set a house on fire and when it was pointed out the residents (a family) were inside people said if they'd not white then good. People who are economic migrants working in our hospitals were petrified in their homes which were damaged. People were scared to leave their homes. This is what happens when you don't address the racist undercurrent to this debate and that affects all of us, especially people born and raised here who are BAME because of the assumptions others make about them.

Well done, you got there in the end.

No what has happened is that people are finding the liberal use of the insult "racist" by other people who want to dominate the conversion, tiresome. Strangers are insulting random people; people they know nothing about.

And so as it's become so prevalent, people are starting to ignore the word so it has lost its power now. And they are getting rather annoyed and angry at being insulted and at the same time expected to cough up to support more and more coming in.

So if you are a self-appointed busybody Thought Police type then well done. You are creating the conditions where you annoyed non racists so much that they now want to vote Reform just because they aren't the sanctimonious unbearable left.

Turn off the news and actually check statistics of people that rape kill and paedophiles. Did you also grow up concerned about church’s ? The news post what suits their agenda

its not 1000 a day, that was a stat that's been used over and over but it's not correct and easy with just some research to review.
Currently it's around a third of that and half of those are small boats with others coming over on university visas or work visas etc and staying on.

I’ve put the stats above.

This has, I hope, been said already, but they are not 'illegal boat arrivals '. It is not illegal to arrive by small boat and seek asylum.

As you were.

And I will ask again, how long do we keep letting all these “asylum seekers” in? Given that it is bigoted and racist to question their credentials and is our duty as a prosperous nation (hollow laugh) to let them in. At what point do we say enough or do we never say it and hope that these well meaning, kindly “traumatised” males arriving daily on boats from much larger countries will at some point look at our comparatively tiny land mass and decide for themselves that we cannot support them?

This just popped up on my socials. An interesting discussion on the migrant who threatened Nigel Farage recently.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=THj3HblheP0

They can’t answer that question because they’ve set it up so every single control on anyone who wants to enter our country is ‘racist’. They would be ‘racist’ to answer this question. So they never do. Surely it must grate at them privately as it’s so utterly logical.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack do you live close to an asylum hotel yourself out of interest? If no, can you comment on the fact almost uniformly every person that does has complained about being harassed or made to feel unsafe by the men?

We know that women in the U.K. are murdered and raped at an alarming rate already and it’s accepted within society. We are in essence collateral damage. Expecting anyone to care that more of us might be murdered and raped by an ever increasing influx of men who originate from countries with worse human rights records than our own is laughable. I accepted a long time ago that the only people who would be the slightest bit bothered by my life being another statistic is immediate family, friends and myself.

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast yet everyone is heavily invested in the ‘rights’ of the men committing these crimes. It beggars belief.

You are seriously deluded if you believe that.

Just wait until the next election or the May 26 ones. Labour will be wringing their hands and it will pave the way for Reform (which I dont think is the answer). A merging of Reform and Conservatives would be a very strong party though.

How many MP's especially in the Birmingham area (which I know well) have been voted in on one issue (Gaza) and who undertook very dirty campaigns.

Look at what Jess Phillips said when she won by a small margin. What are those MP's going to do with their time now? They are uninterested in anything bar this issue. We also know that certain cultures will have many more children than average whilst keeping their women under men's control. I met a women recently who worked with Somilian groups within the UK. 99% of women suffer FGM. 99%!! She had tried education and setting up sessions for people within this community to learn about what it does to women. No one turned up.

Anyone want to apply?

The Home Office is offering a communications expert up to £91,000 a year to help convince the public that Labour is tackling the small boats crisis.
A job advertisement for the role of “deputy director migration communications” says that applicants should have a “resilient” mindset and “personal authority”.
Sir Keir Starmer is facing a political battle to show voters he has a plan for reducing the number of immigrants illegally crossing the Channel in small boats, with failure to lower numbers seen as fuelling support for Reform UK.
On Wednesday, more than 1,000 migrants arrived on 15 dinghies in a 24-hour period, bringing the total number of arrivals since the start of the year to 35,476 – up 33 per cent on the same period last year, and on par with the record year in 2022.

You are right. Doesn't mean we want to add to those figures

Yes the thought of a Reform/Conservative coalition is actually brilliant.

It is crazy.
It's happening all over Europe, my Dsis recently spent time in Paris, she was shocked.
In Ireland my area has been really impacted by the levels of immigration, tents on the streets around the canal, groups of men with nothing to do but hang around.
Racism is off the scale.
Not a nice place to be at the moment.

You must be incandescent then about the 100+ women who are killed by their partners/ex-partners each year that none of the tabloids ever campaign about. Incandescent about the 2.6% of recorded rapes that result in a charge. About the three+ year delay in rape cases now getting to trial.

2024-25, more than 70,000 rape cases were recorded by police. You believe asylum seekers are a "problem". I believe that in the UK British men are the problem. It's fair for me to suggest that all British men should be confined to their homes because of the threat that demographic poses to women, wouldn't you say?

Farage is a excellent speaker and debater. However he lacks experience but look at the mess Labour are making of almost everything they touch.

People are now thinking they might as well vote Reform because Labour are clueless.

They had potentially 14 years to prepare and get their ideas ready. They knew they were going to win the last election. Its as though they werent expecting to win!

TBH - Labour could do at lot worse than putting a penny on income tax. How on earth they can think that taxing people again and again will bring anything very much in.

What would I do..

1p on Income Tax

Allow VAT to be claimed back on luxury goods. These rich people would spend in other ways, hotels, fancy restaurants etc.

Scrap the Triple Lock

Stop messing around with pensions and backdating rules. Our young people are beginning to decide that pensions arent the way to save for their old age

Reduce Stamp Duty for people over the age of 70. Half the SD for people buying their first home (if you dont do something like this then people will just hunker down and not move until this Labour government are booted out in a few years). Overall the pot of SD will increase as it will persuade people to move.

Allow the small boat young men to be processed ONCE by Home Office. No appeal, no legal aid. Yes, there might be a few people who are processed incorrectly but why so many appeals. Also have a hit squad of Home Office people processing people on boats. And maybe bring back Rwanda. Most of the small boat men are lying about where they have come from and have no ID as they have been told to throw passports away.

If that’s correct how did the person who was sentenced yesterday for threats to kill Nigel Farage get an additional sentence for entering the country illegally’ ?

True, my mistake. It's legal migration numbers which have come down (by far the larger part of migration to the UK). But it was the Conservatives who on their watch saw the crossings go from in the hundreds to in the tens of thousands. After leaving the EU to "take back our borders", which was promoted for more than 20 years by Farage.

• 2018: 299 crossings
• 2019: 1,843 crossings (+516.4% from 2018)
• 2020: 8,466 crossings (+359.1% from 2019)
• 2021: 28,526 crossings (+237.1% from 2020)
• 2022: 45,774 crossings (+60.4% from 2021)