To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

Aren’t we all… but like the rest of us, you must learn to accept that it won’t be changing any time soon

Are you serious with these comments?

@Kimura theyre forced to stab people to death and rape women because they’re sad at living in a hotel room with 3 meals per day having allegedly fled an awful regime where they had no quality of life?

I wasn’t born yesterday.

They’re the equivalent of the people convincing us transwomen raping women in jail is worth it ‘for the greater good’

So messed up they’re barely worth replying to.

Look at the polls today re. Reform outperforming ca all other parties by a staggering amount. Uncontrolled immigration will be the thing that ushers in a far right government for the UK and potentially the same swing will impact Europe as a whole. All I see is a future of rioting and protests in our green and pleasant land.

Hence the reason we don’t want want to increase the numbers of men who pose a threat.

I completely agree.
We are in the last few months of being able to do something to stop that but we’re still being told that we’re hateful bigots for wanting to minimise the risk and damage to our communities that tens of thousands of undocumented men arriving to our communities brings.

All the people on this thread rolling their eyes and saying you’re more likely to be killed by someone you know, I bet you’d be thinking a bit differently if this lady was a member of your family. Your sister, daughter, niece…

We are letting people into this country who we have no information about. Thousands of them.
If one of them murders a member of your family, let’s see how much you want to defend them then.

This really is Brexit part two to my mind. Lots of voices telling the majority what the right and morally correct opinion is and then those people go to the ballot box and tick the opinion they actually have. You can shut people’s voices down but you can’t stop them from expressing it when it comes to voting anonymously.

"We are all not as heartless and lacking in imagination as you". Which you wrote as part of your argument for some peculiar reason.

""Heartless and lacking in imagination " could be said about people who see the interests of asylum seekers as more important than the people of the UK.

I would love to know where this ends in their mind (or doesn’t). When our population is 100 million? When the country is 50% Islamic? When slowly but surely our culture changes to reflect the culture in their countries of origin? When the country resembles a city state? Is there ever going to be a limit? They won’t answer but I can ask

I don’t care. I’ll never stop posting uncomfortable truths like this

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35250903.amp

this

This is why (although I'm obviously not accusing anyone here) I think Russian mumsnet bots exist. No one reasonable in the real world thinks like that. Unless they r9eally are living in a lovely bubble in Islington.

Why do people on the right always claim that people are trying to shut their voices down? Who is trying to do that and what's your actual evidence for it?

If I say that I think something is morally wrong, or racist, or whatever, it isn't because I want to silence you, and it doesn't have the effect of silencing you. It is simply because I think it's morally wrong, or racist, or whatever.

Am I not allowed my freedom of expression to express that view? I do acknowledge that some of what I say might make you feel uncomfortable, but I don't see how that equates to shutting your voice down? You are equally entitled to express your own perspective, and I haven't seen any evidence of anyone trying to stop you?

Obviously, we have laws against hate speech and incitement to violence, so I guess that shuts people down to a certain extent, but beyond that, who is actually trying to shut your voice down and what are they doing to achieve this?

100% this.

Calling someone a racist is highly offensive. You can easily shut someone down (or you used to be able to) by accusing them of racisim or being a Nazi. It has terrible connotations. Like calling someone a paedophile.

Those sorts of wild insults have no place in a reasonable argument and the aim of the person saying it is not to have a reasoned debate but to attack someone personally (someone they don't know) so they stop saying what they are saying.

These days of course it doesn't work as we are all massive racists and bigots apparently, so no one cares anymore.

You’ve clearly never been called a bigot or racist have you? And while you’ll reply ‘no, I wonder why..’ the reality is any person who has raised concerns about this - without mentioning race, religion, or nationality - has uniformly been called a racist or bigot for 40 years now. Yet everything they have been concerned about has come true. Immigration has solved nothing and turned this country into a tinder pot of anger and division.

Quite. They’ve shot themselves in the foot by crying wolf over and over. They moan about the right being emboldened while insulting them so much they’re utterly desensitised to it after a few decades.

Our homeless are given free accommodation if they have complex needs (seeking asylum is a complex need but once an asylum seeker has their status and turns 18 they are not entitled to accommodation outside of a hostel unless there is other evidence of vulnerability) asylum seekers are provided with health checks initially and there may be schemes in place for those being moved around a lot. There are also health check schemes in place with other hostels etc where I live that other homeless people can access. Asylum seekers are not provided with free food unless being accommodated in a hotel. This is also done for other homeless people with complex needs or homeless families as you don't have access to cooking facilities in a hotel and they couldn't afford to eat out every day on their allowance which is less than uc for the average person.

If you are a migrant not seeking asylum and not working then you are entitled to absolutely nothing.

"They are predominantly young men who were safe in all the countries they passed through." This is untrue, other countries in Europe are guilty of illegal pushbacks, would quite literally leave people to drown, do not have adequate provision of safe accommodation and people are exploited by traffickers and gangs in those countries as well. But often, families make a plan for where they are going to reunite and then get separated on the journey, so there is a push to still make it to where they said they will reunite. Or they'll aim for somewhere where they know others have made it before and where they have connections.

Again as has been said a million times so I don't know why it keeps needing to be said - who are you classing as an illegal immigrant? Because asylum seekers entering by small boats CANNOT be illegal unless their claim for refugee status has been declined and they have avoided deportation. Migrants coming on work visaa or study visas are not illegal unless they outstay their visa. Actual true illegal immigrants are an extremely small percentage of immigrants.

I could accuse someone of being a massive twat (thinking about some of the views on here), but I don't because it's not very polite or productive in a debate. I wish other people would also refrain from using personal insults like "racist" too.

Ah, the old "British men rape and murder so what's a few more with much higher offending likelihood" argument.

I'd like to think that I would still have the critical thinking capacity to understand that the actions of one person is not reflective of an entire population. But then I have the added advantage of knowing loads of asylum seekers and refugees who are all decent, lovely people which helps counteract the hysteria that's being whipped up by the media.

So you’re fine with transwomen sharing our spaces?

When you say "free" accommodation and "free" food it's not actually free though is it? Unless magic happened? It's paid for by the rest of us.