To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

Yes I was then and increasingly more now, I don't see this a battle between parties I just want to see the stop of dangerous people coming in. The reports of failed integration of these awful crimes I have posted are happening more often and people are scared.

Because the Home Office is so correct. Sigh.

Check stats, yes OP you are right to be worried, all these left wing posters don't and will not believe they will be under Shariah law and wearing Burkhas in 10 years time.

You are NOT being unreasonable.

I think the polls on here reflect the views I hear in real life. Everyone has had enough.

I am not claiming to be even knowledgeable about statistics, never mind an expert, but my common sense suggests to me that comparing the data of the murders of adult women in any culture, combined with the country they live in, against the numbers of murdered women within the culture of any other country, just cannot work, as there are far too many variables to take into account.

However, I am going to endeavour to make some sort of sense out of my supposed generalisations, because simple statements like yours above @BluntPlumHam, just don't seem to me to be very relevant at this time in our history, or to the OP's genuine and understandable concerns. I expect/suspect that within any culture, most murders of women happen by someone known to them, and that as they age the person most likely to have killed them will be either a close relative, as in a husband/partner or a son, or an ex lover.

So, I will give two examples here, one of women murdered in the UK, and the other of women murdered, in say, Pakistan. I believe that in the UK the most likely statistic is that far more women have been killed by someone close to them, than by strangers, and I believe that the same would be true in Pakistan. I would be very surprised if the same statistics didn't keep on occuring in most countries that are not undergoing civil wars, or wars against other countries.

I am going to continue my argument that @CalmShaker is justified in her concerns, but I am going to change the wording of 'Asylum seekers' to that of 'Illegal immigrants', because I believe that if all of the illegal immigrants are ever properly processed, very few of them will turn out to be genuine Asylum seekers. I don't think it would be fair, or even a legitimate argument, if in this particular case we didn't acknowledge that the vast majority of these illegal immigrants are male, and that they are also Muslims.

Before continuing, I think I should say that my dentist, one of the doctors I see quite frequently, and one of my circle of acquaintances - so three in total - are Muslim men, and they couldn't be more lovely, they are amongst the nicest men I know, all of the rest being British atheists, or Buddhists, and maybe one or two British Christians - but non-proselytising ones. I haven't listed any of them as friends simply because, as lovely as they all are, I only consider myself to have four friends, and they happen to all be females, one who goes back to my secondary school days, and I have known the other three for over 30 years. Well, my best friend is a man, but he is also my DH!

It is only fairly recently - within the last 10 to 15 years or so (I'm almost 70 so that counts as quite recently in my eyes) - that I have heard/read/seen anything negative to do with far too many Muslim men. The way the - what I call 'extremist' - countries interpret the Quran in it's strictest and harshest way, where they believe the women of their religion are little more than third class citizens, who don't deserve or need to be educated, who must not expose any of their body's parts when outside of their own homes, who can't leave their homes to go out to work, who are punished for "crimes" that are not even their own "crimes", and who may be stoned to death for being found guilty of what the rest of the world would recognise as being a man's crime, not the women's, and I am barely scratching the surface here.

We have no way of thoroughly checking the personal history of the vast majority of the Muslim men who cross the channel illegally, but if they were honest about which country they originate from, it would be reasonably easy to understand what, and how strictly they follow their home country's interpretation of the Quran.

When we keep on hearing on the news about the male Muslim grooming gangs, members of which are probably in the main, not illegal immigrants, and how they are let out of prison earlier than they should have been granted parole, and that they are allowed to return to their UK homes, and to the same communities they committed their disgusting and atrocious crimes in (which I don't know about because of the Daily Fail), then is it any wonder that so many of us British females are even more scared of the illegal immigrants about whom no background checks can be done?

I think that arguments like yours BluntPlumHam are disingenuous, and I cannot understand them, unless you are actually a Muslim yourself?

Sorry about the length of this post.

YANBU OP. The numbers of sexual assault and rape stories involving migrants is going up too.

And what’s the long term plan with these people? Most are low skilled economic migrants chancing their arm, not high skilled workers. They won’t be able to work in well paying jobs or make a good contribution; we’re letting in tens of thousands of young men from very conservative cultures.

Why would we do this when we already have a significant problem in our towns posed by many men of Pakistani descent?

The problem is that the country is in need of taxpayers, not benefit takers, to contribute by paying taxes rather than relying on benefits. These individuals are not contributing through paying taxes; instead, they are relying on the system.

I agree. If we had a processing system fit for purpose to process the ones who have a legitimate reason to be here in a timely manner, we could have them working and paying tax sooner.

The real issue is knowing who these people are. The country is letting people in without official documents, and there’s no way for us to truly know who they are. Not even the countries these people come from know who they are.

I agree this is bad. But unfortunately it's the situation and there's no quick and easy way to resolve issues caused by another less developed nation's lack of infrastructure.

I don't know what the solution is for people's past, but processing people in, getting them ID documents, getting them into work and housing quickly will help in terms of monitoring here.

They come from religions and cultures that don't seem to fit well here. On top of that, they don't try to integrate; instead, they expect us to adapt to them. We're putting in all the effort to please them, yet they don't make any effort to please us. They know they have British citizens eating out of the palms of their hands by portraying themselves as helpless victims.

I disagree here. Huge parts of this country were built on the back of hard working immigrants who were desperate to integrate. The difference is that those people had safe routes here, were welcomed by the state and - despite racism being prevalent - became as British as you or I.

Now we're keeping people in filthy hotels, eating slop. People are trying to set fire to them. We don't let them work. They have no safety, no certainly, no stability. They're trapped in rooms intended for 1-2 people to stay a night or two, only they're living there with 5 others indefinitely.

I'm not surprised that they're sticking together, getting into trouble, commiting crimes. Treat people like animals, even good people, and eventually they'll act like them.

I can't agree with a blanket statement that everyone coming in now doesn't want to integrate or expects us to adapt.

I certainly can't think of the last time an immigrant or someone of a different culture/religion being in the UK caused any sort of meaningful change to my life. Maybe going to a halal Subway that didn't serve ham in Leeds?

There are ways to address illegal immigration, like deploying the armed forces and police

You can't just deploy the armed forces/police to stop illegal immigration by force.

We're not going to start shooting boats out of the water or picking them off on the beach, so what can the armed forces do? As soon as the boat drivers start operating recklessly, the armed forces will have to disengage for the safety of people on board.

Police can arrest them but they still have a legal right to claim asylum by that point. We're not going to change those laws.

What the police and intelligence services are doing at the moment is shifting massive resources over to tacking the organisational structures of the gangs that traffic them in. That obviously means less resource for other areas like drugs, weapons and terrorism.

It's a long game unfortunately, but the quickest win right now is sorting out the actual system on the ground for the people who arrive. Unfortunately consecutive governments haven't wanted to be the ones spending the necessary funds 'on illegals'.

I'm not left wing for what that's worth, but I have to ask...do you genuinely believe that the UK will be operating under Sharia Law in ten years time?

And if so, what are you basing that on?

You can also bypass a lot of this by being born here.

can someone tell me where the money comes from to accommodate the illegal immigrants?

Can someone explain why our homeless are not being given (free) accommodation with food, regular health checks etc?

We are bursting at the seams here. I cannot believe people can’t see that.

They are predominantly young men who were safe in all the countries they passed through.

Statistics and figures can be (and are) massaged to fit a narrative.

Seriously? I do think these posts are now coordinated.
Well if you're scared then move somewhere else.
So bored of this Tuffton street bs

This week we sent an asylum seeker to prison for sexually assaulting a teenager who had 11 convictions for similar offences in Germany. The guy sent to prison for threatening Nigel Farage had a gun tattoo on his face. If on arrival we don’t know enough about these men to assess their risk to the public they need to be processed in a detention centre until we do have enough information to either allow their claim or deport them if it eventually transpires that they are a known sex and/or violent offender.

Careful OP, you’ll be called a racist. This is MN, most people here are either detached from the real world never exposed to the negative impacts of open borders and parroting what the guardian says or rabid left wing Marxists.

Whataboutery and gaslighting.

Predicatable from the ‘I’m progressive lm brigade.

Why are you lying?

www.lbc.co.uk/article/foreign-nationals-quarter-sexual-assault-convictions-rpXpd_2/

I absolutely agree. We have enough problems already, why add to it with vast amounts of unknown, woman hating men.

Yes you are right, male violence is the problem. So why add to that with thousands of unknown men that come from a culture where women are treated like pieces of meat.

How can you honestly say asylum seekers are not the problem? They are ADDING to the problem in huge numbers.

Crossings have gone up under Labour.

I don’t think I’d actually be able to quantify how many asylum seekers I have known personally. I taught ESOL for about 8 years and then worked with victims of domestic violence so I would say easily in the high hundreds.

The most vulnerable people I have ever come into contact with are female asylum seekers. And do you know who they were being victimised by? Who they were controlled by? The men from their cultures. We do not need to import dangerous men, we already have too many.

Look at the data from other countries where place of origin is recorded against the type of crime. Men from cultures who have even less respect for women than our own culture does have been shown to have significantly more risk of violence and sexual assault. The records show that they are responsible for a disproportionate number of crimes against women.

We do not need more violence against women. We need to protect women.

How can they possibly do a background check on men that have no papers, nothing on them to say where they are from, whether they are a murderer, rapist etc. No amount of bio checks or whatever is going to tell jack shit about whether a psychopath is a psychopath.

Can you expand on the ‘background checks’. What happens and is checked specifically when eg someone arrives from Eritrea or Afghanistan. Do the Taliban help out with those checks?

It’s repeated often that men are vetted in some way, how?

Yes same. The desperate few still trying to convince everyone hundreds of unvetted men arriving a day is a positive are either people who have personal or cultural interests in ensuring immigration is never questioned, or useful idiots who get angry and resort to personal insults the moment you outline your concerns.

Luckily the ice is melting and people’s concern for our country is now outweighing their fear of being labelled a bigot, like with trans.

Exactly. They honestly believe the Taliban are keeping diligent records on sexual offending and hand these over to the British authorities.

I don’t think Labour can rely on this take anymore.

Most are now economic migrants, and often admit it, and we shouldn't be letting in anyone until we know who they are.

Revoke the ECHR, ask them to nominate a country to be returned to, if not then we will take a guess about their nationality which is usually very accurate. We’ll pay each country a fee for returning the person which is still cheaper than benefits and endless use of public services here.