To think it is outrageous to ban women and girls over 13 from a fun run?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno

I just caught this on the news-the article isn't clear on the justification for this-but this isn't OK is it?

If it makes you feel better, sure, I'm oppressed, lol. Truth is, I feel sorry for you. All of you, really. Genuinely. You are oppressed by your men, your government, and even (whichever) feminism (wave that's current), and you can't even see it - you actually believe you are liberated and above other women, but your reality clearly shows that you are not. I feel sorry for your children, too, who you raise to believe in weird ideals that don't exist within your society. You basically lead your children, especially your daughters, on...shame on you. You only have to read the many threads of mal-adjusted and dysfunctional children on this forum to see it.

Not as much as you fight against charity runs, lol.

LOL like there weren’t entire organised gangs of British Asian Muslim men systemically grooming and raping white girls for decades. Go away and do some reading babe.

Interesting, the pattern of one particular poster is almost identical to (a differently named, of course…) poster who descended on the first thread on this subject in FWR.
That poster eventually revealed how as far as they were concerned, female children wearing revealing clothing were responsible for sexually tempting adult men and therefore were to blame (the post was sadly deleted by MNHQ, leaving it for all to see would have been much better).
I wonder how this thread will pan out….

How do you know? You don’t even live here.

Let's not pretend that excluding women from a single event (especially when it's not unheard of that charity events often focus on specific groups of society) is the same as not allowing women a career in whiever field they want.

I HAVE lived there!

The argument is if you apply a single-sex exception (which they are perfectly within their rights to do), you have to apply it consistently. Generally, exceptions can only be applied if all participants share the same protected characteristic - and adult men and 12 year old girls do not share a protected characteristic that is not also shared by adult women.

However, religious organisations have multiple exceptions that they can invoke along with the general exceptions in schedule 23. Additionally charities have their own exceptions, and there are yet more exceptions that apply to sport. Unravelling all of these would no doubt make for a very entertaining (and for the lawyers involved, profitable) court case.

That's definitely not me - I have had other usernames, but I have never seen or participated in a thread like that.

Well thank god you're not anymore 👋

With the greatest of respect, divorce in our families is very rare, as it is among our wider friends. Our circles comprise loving, caring people who work hard and who have raised hardworking and ambitious children. That is my experience of being a member of British Society.

Further women in our families and our friends' are treated equally. I bought my own home prior to marriage and have run a home and da career very successfully, whilst prioritising the children

You are being offensive now and I'm not sure on what research based evidence you are basing your views. There are certainly areas of deprivation and quite rightly British Society has a safety net and seeks to protect the children whose fault it is now. There are things that are wrong in our society but it is one I would be very reluctant to leave.

Besides—shock horror—it’s possible to care about more than one thing!

But why do they have to apply it consistently? Genuinely, I don't know if the law actually compels this consistency? And if so, which laws?

We are not saving you. We are saving our 13 year old girls who it would seem are being treated as adult women. If you can’t see what’s wrong with that then you are part of the problem.

When @xanthomelana said this my interpretation was that her objection wasn't so much to do with her 13 year old girl being excluded from the race but, arguably, the more serious issue that a 13 year old girl is being viewed and treated as an adult woman.

Didn't you claim to live in a Scandinavian country? What did the Scandinavian country do to destroy your home and life? Are you aware that you've made it sound like muslims have moved to the UK for revenge? Because that is not how our governments have sold multiculturalism in the UK.

Interesting. If this is true, then it makes challenging it all the more serious. I wonder why aren't the voices of the local Muslim women heard about this?

When I was jogging in Birmingham I had a man SPIT on on me. I was disgusted and horrified but I wasn’t going to pick a fight with a man who was clearly dangerous. The man was from a certain ahem “culture”. And yes I’m waiting for the inevitable abuse for admitting that and people being more upset about perceived racism than actual assault against women, but this story shows they have a huge backwards issue from women jogging in public.

Sure. I'm just saying you care about minor things rather than the big things. And I don't understand it. I have asked many times now what real change, for the better, it makes throughout society that this particular event accepts women running for charity? Like, what significant difference does it make? Will women suddenly be in amuch better position within society if they can participate in this particular run?

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Pretend? You seem to be struggling with the concept of equality. In the UK women have equality under the law.

I wasn't talking about myself, I'm not Middle Eastern personally. But, sadly, my country has not been innocent either when it comes to being complicit in illegal and unjustified wars.

And no, I wasn't saying Muslims move to the UK for revenge. My point was, that most people would prefer to remain in their own country, with their family and friends. But when external forces, such as your governemnt (and mine, for that matter) destroy people's countries and homes, we have a responsibility to take the displaced people in. Or not barge in unwlecomed in countries we have no business in, in the first place.

How is it any worse than banning men from the breast cancer fun runs we all did when they were fashionable?

I’m sorry you went through that and it’s disgusting. The problem is very widespread. I had a man, who was not from the same implied culture as yours, deliberately walk into my path when I was jogging and then getting very aggressive, swearing and shouting at me because he didn’t control me onto the path like he wanted and I jogged onto the grass around him instead.
For every issue, there’s someone from every culture and race that can be the same or worse . Whatever differences we have, we’re all humans and we all have the same issues across the board.

So, where's the law that actively forces your men to pay fairly and squarely for their own children rather than leave the entire responsibility to women? Where's the law that forces men to not overburden their wives? I think you and I might have different ideas about what equality even is. I don't really buys myself with nonsense issues like charity runs, I'm much more concerned with the bigger picture.

The Equality Act 2010. It's a big old chunk of legislation, but the starting point if you want to understand about combined discrimination (which is generally not permitted) would be s.14: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/14

So in this case, the organisers could be unlawfully discriminating against women because of a combination of age and sex (which are both protected characteristics).

As I said, there are a lot of exceptions applying to religious establishments, charities, and sports so you can't just look at s.14 on it's own, you would also need to refer to multiple other parts of the statute and its schedules.