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To think it is outrageous to ban women and girls over 13 from a fun run?

328 replies

Lex345 · 14/10/2025 07:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno

I just caught this on the news-the article isn't clear on the justification for this-but this isn't OK is it?

OP posts:
SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:05

Plantine · 14/10/2025 09:57

I have lived in the UK, and have seen with my own eyes what your society is like. Women are so much worse off in the UK than in any of the Middle Eastern countries I have lived in. Seriously. I don't know why you lot think you can monopolise concepts like equality, respect and tolerance when you do/practice them all so badly. Again, just look at the amount of kids you have that have no father, and your government that lets you women raise children all by yourself, struggle with solo parenting, all while your men can live it up carefree, without any responsibility towards their own children. How about sorting this women's rights issue out BEFORE putting your energy into a charity run. I would argue the deadbeat fathers issue is more important than the charity run one.

So do you think women in Afghanistan are leading a privileged life?

As you feel the UK is such a dreadful place, it's rather a blessing you don't live here. As you don't, your right to exert an opinion and denigrate how we live is marginalised.

Personally, I think the situation would be helped by byba review of the benefit system and restricting benefits significantly and across the board. If that were to happen, I suspect far fewer people would want to be here.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:07

AngeloMysterioso · 14/10/2025 10:01

Meanwhile, “your men” are murdering their daughters and sisters in the name of “honour”, marrying girls and getting them pregnant whilst they are still children, banning women from leaving their houses, standing near their windows or speaking out loud and insisting they cover their entire bodies from head to toe…

Also, why is the standard that little clothes is better than more clothes?

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:09

Also, there is a gulf between your views relating to British life and how you think it is wrong and the fact that you seem to have no respect for UK legislation.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:11

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:05

So do you think women in Afghanistan are leading a privileged life?

As you feel the UK is such a dreadful place, it's rather a blessing you don't live here. As you don't, your right to exert an opinion and denigrate how we live is marginalised.

Personally, I think the situation would be helped by byba review of the benefit system and restricting benefits significantly and across the board. If that were to happen, I suspect far fewer people would want to be here.

Afghan society is not one single thing - some women there lead perfectly fine lives - better than UK women, I would argue - while others don't. Same could be said of UK women: some live below the poverty line and get treated with injustice from their society, while others live in luxury and privilege. Such is life, sadly.

"As you don't, your right to exert an opinion and denigrate how we live"
Ha! That was my entire point with my first thread: a MUSLIM chairty run is relevant for MUSLIMS - so if you are not one, why do you feel the need to exert an opinion on how Muslims live? Are Muslims not allowed to live how they want to in a so-called free country? And if discrimination against women is your true concern, why do you not worry about much bigger discrimination issues within your society, than a tiny charity run?

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:12

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:09

Also, there is a gulf between your views relating to British life and how you think it is wrong and the fact that you seem to have no respect for UK legislation.

I don't need to have respect for your legislation. I'm not form your country, nor do I live in it. I adhere by your laws when I visit your country, but that's as far as my obligation goes.

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:12

@plantine I do care about all women. That's precisely why no minority can declare themselves above UK law.

AzurePanda · 14/10/2025 10:14

@Plantine are you a woman?

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:14

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:05

Teen girls and adults excluded from sport isn’t something we want, and yes pushing back on this is what women here can do.

You seem happy with how women are treated where you are which is great, we’re used to and value girls being included.

As I said, I'm Scandinavian and am used to, arguably, better conditions than you in terms of women's right and societal welfare.

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:14

Perhaps those who live overseas need not respect UK legislation but those who do live here absolutely do have to respect it, whether they like it or not.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:15

AzurePanda · 14/10/2025 10:14

@Plantine are you a woman?

Yes, why?

AngeloMysterioso · 14/10/2025 10:15

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:05

Oh, so white men aren't ever pedophiles, right? There isn't an Epstein file full of white men's dirty secrets, right? You don't see old, dirty white men travel to foreign countries where they exploit vulnerable women? No white men ever kill their children, or women...right? No white kids or teenage girls ever get pregnant, surely?

All I’m saying is, if you’re allowed to tar all white British men with same brush then we can do the same to Muslim men. The difference is, your what-about examples are very much in the minority whereas the points I’ve made are prevalent, everyday aspects of Muslim culture, actually enshrined in law in some places, and written into the holy text of your religion. You throwing out Epstein is a laughably desperate false equivalence.

But it isn’t in our texts, it isn’t in line with our laws, and we don’t want it here. Starting with the oh-so-innocent “inclusive family fun run open to everybody except those shameful females of child bearing age”.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:16

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:14

Perhaps those who live overseas need not respect UK legislation but those who do live here absolutely do have to respect it, whether they like it or not.

I agree. But I don't see how this charity run doesn't.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:18

AngeloMysterioso · 14/10/2025 10:15

All I’m saying is, if you’re allowed to tar all white British men with same brush then we can do the same to Muslim men. The difference is, your what-about examples are very much in the minority whereas the points I’ve made are prevalent, everyday aspects of Muslim culture, actually enshrined in law in some places, and written into the holy text of your religion. You throwing out Epstein is a laughably desperate false equivalence.

But it isn’t in our texts, it isn’t in line with our laws, and we don’t want it here. Starting with the oh-so-innocent “inclusive family fun run open to everybody except those shameful females of child bearing age”.

Sure, you can do whatever you want. But I ROFL'ed when I read this:
"The difference is, your what-about examples are very much in the minority"

Are you serious? Every pedophile case, or kiddie/teenage pregnancy case, I read about involves white, non-Muslim people.

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:18

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:14

As I said, I'm Scandinavian and am used to, arguably, better conditions than you in terms of women's right and societal welfare.

Great. We’re still going to talk about and push for girls participation in sports here.

Religion or not they should not be excluded.

AngeloMysterioso · 14/10/2025 10:19

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:07

Also, why is the standard that little clothes is better than more clothes?

It’s not about more versus less clothing. It’s about the reason behind it. If more clothing is preferable, why aren’t Muslim men also draping themselves in yards of fabric that hide their form and cover every inch of their bodies?

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:19

Then you need to give your head a wobble. The rules of the fun run excluded women over the age of 12 whilst including men and boys over the age of 12. That is treating women less favourably than men with no just cause. Equality Act 2010, which subsumed the Sex Discrimination Act 1975.

Midnightlove · 14/10/2025 10:20

Thisishappeningtous · 14/10/2025 07:49

Yes and that's what the religion is based on and the reality of women in the religion. And the fact this is allowed shows how far into Galiad we are sinking. Rules and values we fought for in the west do not apply. Women are chattel to be passed from a man to a man and having your tits jiggling and running alongside a man bring shame upon one.
We are becoming a third world country where women's rights are being fast erased and mysogyny is at unprecedented levels.
The level of harassment from men practicing that religion is unbearable too.
This is life in the UK in 2025. Women-hating "liberals" fascists will tell you it's okay and call you names while only mixing with people like themselves and knowing nothing about other religions and cultures and how harmful and incompatible with western values they are.
I mean what kind of an apology or justification can a twisted "liberal" mind even give for stuff like this.

Absolutely this!! It's astonishing the people that defend what's happing to our country.

AngeloMysterioso · 14/10/2025 10:20

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:18

Sure, you can do whatever you want. But I ROFL'ed when I read this:
"The difference is, your what-about examples are very much in the minority"

Are you serious? Every pedophile case, or kiddie/teenage pregnancy case, I read about involves white, non-Muslim people.

Seriously, I think we all know that’s not true.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:21

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:18

Great. We’re still going to talk about and push for girls participation in sports here.

Religion or not they should not be excluded.

Why not? What's s wrong about not involving women in everything? Would you have the same outrage if men were excluded from a charity run? Do women's run not exist, and cater only to women?

SerendipityJane · 14/10/2025 10:21

LaChouette · 14/10/2025 07:37

What didn't you look for any of the other (at least 3) threads on this?

Interestingly, none of them have been on the Legal Matters forum. Almost as is no one has any interest in the legality of this.

Midnightlove · 14/10/2025 10:23

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AmIinaLidlMoodoranAldimood · 14/10/2025 10:23

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:18

Sure, you can do whatever you want. But I ROFL'ed when I read this:
"The difference is, your what-about examples are very much in the minority"

Are you serious? Every pedophile case, or kiddie/teenage pregnancy case, I read about involves white, non-Muslim people.

Bollocks.
Also, do you think that British women aren’t actively fighting against/calling out misogynist behaviour from white British men as well? I think you’ll find we do.

lifeturnsonadime · 14/10/2025 10:25

There is no wording that can be changed that removes the fact that this event discriminates against women and girls because they are excluded on the basis of sex and age.

The whataboutary on here is quite shocking to be honest.

This discrimination is unacceptable and events like this attempt to normalise something that is unacceptable.

I would be very surprised if excluding women and girls from a sporting event would be welcomed on religious grounds in Scandinavia.

FOJN · 14/10/2025 10:26

Plantine · 14/10/2025 09:27

What, your 13 year old daughter was planning on participating in this run? Your friends' daughters had every intention of being part of this run?

I'm not planning on becoming a welder either but I'm glad that women who are can't be discriminated against in the basis of their sex.

What's your point? I should only defend equal rights if I'm personally affected?