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To think it is outrageous to ban women and girls over 13 from a fun run?

328 replies

Lex345 · 14/10/2025 07:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno

I just caught this on the news-the article isn't clear on the justification for this-but this isn't OK is it?

OP posts:
Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:45

CopperWhite · 14/10/2025 10:42

How is it any worse than banning men from the breast cancer fun runs we all did when they were fashionable?

Exactly.

Humdingerydoo · 14/10/2025 10:46

Plantine · 14/10/2025 09:26

Oh, please, get off your high horse. Your men are abandoning your children, leaving them essentially fatherless and neglected in every way possible, and you have the audacity to sit there and talk to me about gender equality, respect and tolerance? I don't live in the UK, but from where I'm standing your society is not as great and ideal as you think it is.

If you don't live in the UK it's not your community being discussed here, so why are you getting involved? If you don't want "white privileged women" getting involved because it's not our community, why are you doing so? It's a bit hypocritical, no? British women are a community.

Unless, of course, you think British Muslim women have more in common with eg Indonesian or Qatari muslim women than with other British women. But then that's you "othering" British Muslim women, no one else.

I understand the religious reasons for separating men and women for things. My religion does similar. What I don't understand is a family fun run where there's no participation allowed for women or female children aged 12 and over. If this were my religious community arranging this event I would complain about it too. It should be up to the individual women to choose not to participate in a family day if they feel it's not in accordance with their religion, they shouldn't be told they're not welcome to.

As it was framed as a family event there should have been separate events for men, women and children, or even just for men and women and children could join whichever race their parents were in.

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:46

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:29

If it makes you feel better, sure, I'm oppressed, lol. Truth is, I feel sorry for you. All of you, really. Genuinely. You are oppressed by your men, your government, and even (whichever) feminism (wave that's current), and you can't even see it - you actually believe you are liberated and above other women, but your reality clearly shows that you are not. I feel sorry for your children, too, who you raise to believe in weird ideals that don't exist within your society. You basically lead your children, especially your daughters, on...shame on you. You only have to read the many threads of mal-adjusted and dysfunctional children on this forum to see it.

Ok enjoy your skewed view. It doesn’t tally with what women can do and talk about here.

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:47

Because breast cancer that affects largely only women, was a reasonable exemption related to the cause being supported.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:48

AngeloMysterioso · 14/10/2025 10:30

LOL like there weren’t entire organised gangs of British Asian Muslim men systemically grooming and raping white girls for decades. Go away and do some reading babe.

At least they are criminal gangs - regular white men do these things as a fun hobby, and create laws to enable them to do these kind of things almost in the open. Heck, you even choose these dirtbags as your leaders, and worship them as if they are infallible or sacred.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:49

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:46

Ok enjoy your skewed view. It doesn’t tally with what women can do and talk about here.

Keep talking, it clearly makes a huge and ground-breaking difference for women, haha.

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:49

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:48

At least they are criminal gangs - regular white men do these things as a fun hobby, and create laws to enable them to do these kind of things almost in the open. Heck, you even choose these dirtbags as your leaders, and worship them as if they are infallible or sacred.

You are being utterly disgusting now. You are in fact being racist.

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:50

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:49

Keep talking, it clearly makes a huge and ground-breaking difference for women, haha.

Well we don’t need your permission obviously but yes we will. Going by your posts it seems concerning to you that we don’t want the exclusion you are happy with.

SweetTalkinWookie · 14/10/2025 10:51

Have any women who wanted to take part in the race shown up yet, or is this still just a platform to flout thinly veiled Islamaphobia?

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:51

Humdingerydoo · 14/10/2025 10:46

If you don't live in the UK it's not your community being discussed here, so why are you getting involved? If you don't want "white privileged women" getting involved because it's not our community, why are you doing so? It's a bit hypocritical, no? British women are a community.

Unless, of course, you think British Muslim women have more in common with eg Indonesian or Qatari muslim women than with other British women. But then that's you "othering" British Muslim women, no one else.

I understand the religious reasons for separating men and women for things. My religion does similar. What I don't understand is a family fun run where there's no participation allowed for women or female children aged 12 and over. If this were my religious community arranging this event I would complain about it too. It should be up to the individual women to choose not to participate in a family day if they feel it's not in accordance with their religion, they shouldn't be told they're not welcome to.

As it was framed as a family event there should have been separate events for men, women and children, or even just for men and women and children could join whichever race their parents were in.

Not really. I didn't expect to get involved in further discussion with my first post, but here we go.

Pharazon · 14/10/2025 10:51

CopperWhite · 14/10/2025 10:42

How is it any worse than banning men from the breast cancer fun runs we all did when they were fashionable?

I don't think the argument is whether something is 'worse', It's whether it is lawful. Single-sex events (such as the Breast Cancer runs you refer to) are lawful as there is a specific exception for them in the Equality Act. This event however is potentially unlawful as there is no exception in the Act for "men and boys only, and girls under 13".

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/10/2025 10:51

SidekickSylvia · 14/10/2025 09:14

I was with friends on Saturday and this subject came up. It's the first time any of us have discussed Islam and its rise in Britain, and all of us are worried, particularly about the increasing presence of muslims in politics. None of us want this type of misogyny to become normal or acceptable in our country. I'm glad that people are finally talking about what many of us feel is a threat to women's rights.

Plantine - It might help you to realise that - for me and my friends - our concern is for our daughters and granddaughters, not yourself and other muslim women.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Yes @Plantine our concern is for our daughters and granddaughters not yourself and other Muslim women.

BlakeCarrington · 14/10/2025 10:52

Plantine · 14/10/2025 09:27

What, your 13 year old daughter was planning on participating in this run? Your friends' daughters had every intention of being part of this run?

Hope their daughter didn’t want to join in, because she wouldn’t have been allowed to would she? Too distracting for the men apparently. I can’t believe this happened in London in 2025, hideous.

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 14/10/2025 10:52

CopperWhite · 14/10/2025 10:42

How is it any worse than banning men from the breast cancer fun runs we all did when they were fashionable?

Single sex exemptions to the EA are allowed.
That isn’t what happened in this fun run event.
And in any case, as has been discussed on the other threads, (and if you mean RFL) they were challenged over the years and they are now inclusive and mixed sex…

Humdingerydoo · 14/10/2025 10:53

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:00

Since free speech applies to me to, I shall continue to take part in the conversation about your country.

Do you not see the irony in everything you're saying? We have free speech too, and will therefore take part in the conversation about an event run by a mosque.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:53

SweetTalkinWookie · 14/10/2025 10:51

Have any women who wanted to take part in the race shown up yet, or is this still just a platform to flout thinly veiled Islamaphobia?

Haha, none of the ladies I have asked have said they are interested in actually doing the run themselves, nor do they seem to have daughters who had their heart set on the race. But their world is so tiny that they think by pouring all of their energy into this matter, they make some sort of massive difference for women. How, I don't know...

Fifi2022 · 14/10/2025 10:53

We all know what your intention is here. Go away

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 14/10/2025 10:54

Thisishappeningtous · 14/10/2025 07:49

Yes and that's what the religion is based on and the reality of women in the religion. And the fact this is allowed shows how far into Galiad we are sinking. Rules and values we fought for in the west do not apply. Women are chattel to be passed from a man to a man and having your tits jiggling and running alongside a man bring shame upon one.
We are becoming a third world country where women's rights are being fast erased and mysogyny is at unprecedented levels.
The level of harassment from men practicing that religion is unbearable too.
This is life in the UK in 2025. Women-hating "liberals" fascists will tell you it's okay and call you names while only mixing with people like themselves and knowing nothing about other religions and cultures and how harmful and incompatible with western values they are.
I mean what kind of an apology or justification can a twisted "liberal" mind even give for stuff like this.

This in buckets.

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:54

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:53

Haha, none of the ladies I have asked have said they are interested in actually doing the run themselves, nor do they seem to have daughters who had their heart set on the race. But their world is so tiny that they think by pouring all of their energy into this matter, they make some sort of massive difference for women. How, I don't know...

Tbf you are pouring in even more. It’s not convincing.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:55

Humdingerydoo · 14/10/2025 10:53

Do you not see the irony in everything you're saying? We have free speech too, and will therefore take part in the conversation about an event run by a mosque.

No? Because I have never said you can't speak freely. I only expressed my annoyance with you all, seeing as you have a habit of speaking on behalf of Muslim women when nobody asked you to.

Humdingerydoo · 14/10/2025 10:55

Plantine · 14/10/2025 09:36

Also, why do you talk to me like I don't understand common decency? Like I need explaining of how to deal with abuse (which has nothing to do with this topic)?

Also, I'm from a Scandinavian country, which is probably a more evolved and decent than your society, lol. You know, better women's right 😄.

I can assure you women being actively excluded from a family fun run would draw a fuck-tonne more criticism from people in a Scandinavian country than from people in the UK.

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:55

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:53

Haha, none of the ladies I have asked have said they are interested in actually doing the run themselves, nor do they seem to have daughters who had their heart set on the race. But their world is so tiny that they think by pouring all of their energy into this matter, they make some sort of massive difference for women. How, I don't know...

How many ladies are there for you to ask in Scandinavia?

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:55

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 10:54

Tbf you are pouring in even more. It’s not convincing.

I'm not trying to convince you, or anybody. I'm not arrogant enough to think I have that influence on anybody.

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:57

SilkAndSparklesForParties · 14/10/2025 10:55

How many ladies are there for you to ask in Scandinavia?

We don't worry about petty things like this in Scandinavia. Unless it regards baked goods, but then again, that's generally accepted as a serious topic.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 14/10/2025 10:57

Plantine · 14/10/2025 10:55

No? Because I have never said you can't speak freely. I only expressed my annoyance with you all, seeing as you have a habit of speaking on behalf of Muslim women when nobody asked you to.

Women. Period. This has already been pointed out to you but you’re too busy being really angry. Women don’t need permission to be angry about issues that negatively affect… women.