To think it is outrageous to ban women and girls over 13 from a fun run?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno

I just caught this on the news-the article isn't clear on the justification for this-but this isn't OK is it?

Also, why do you talk to me like I don't understand common decency? Like I need explaining of how to deal with abuse (which has nothing to do with this topic)?

Also, I'm from a Scandinavian country, which is probably a more evolved and decent than your society, lol. You know, better women's right 😄.

@Plantine genuinely what do you think of the run being advertised as inclusive of all abilities, ages, races, religions etc but then actively excluding girls/women over 12?

My husband is a Muslim so I'm not coming from this from any anti-muslim rhetoric either but he was absolutely baffled, couldn't understand why and thought it was completely wrong. So it's a legit how do you feel question!

Honestly, tell your government to stop invading Muslim countries, and I can assure you that you'll see much less of us dangerous Muslims. Many Muslims only came to your country, because your government was, and still is, complicit in, destroying their homes and life. When you destroy someone's home and life, you can't complain when they come to your doorstep.

I think it's clumsy wording. But words can be changed, right? So if they change the words, everyone will be happy with this event, right? Including you?

The one asking if their own kid was going to do it: it's the same rules for everyone. You are welcome to move where there are different rules for different tribes, I'm sure you'll thrive there and enjoy all the privileges that come with it. But hey you know you wouldn't be able to leave the house.
This is what is starting to happen in areas where this religion is prevalent, to non Muslim women. Because of stalking and harassing in broad daylight because those behaviours are the norm in the community.
Why defend this? It's against equality. You can believe what you want in your head but you don't get to publically exclude women and divide them into whores and non whores.

So, if the organisation change the wording, you'll be okay with this event?

YANBU. Pure misogyny. Those men clearly think it’s “immodest” for women and girls to exercise, and that they shouldn’t do so alongside men. Pathetic woman hatred.

What are you talking about? I wouldn't be able to leave the house? What planet are you from? I have travelled and lived extensively in many different Muslim countries, and have never experienced that I can't leave my house. Where have YOU experienced this? Or are you just talking nonsense here?

I'm a Muslim woman and most of the harassment I have faced over nearly 6 decades is overwhelmingly from Muslim men - of various ethnicities. That doesn't mean that white women aren't harassed by Muslim men (most I know certainly have been) or that Muslim women aren't harassed by white men (many I know have been). Some of it is based on where we live and some no doubt done just because men do this kind of thing.
And I disagree with not allowing all females to run in the race that happened. Segregation should not be tolerated no matter who's doing it.

What the hell do you know about UK mens behaviour if you don't even live here!?

How can you bang on about our men pulling scarves off your heads when you're not even here? And why the hell do you care about our equality laws if you don't live here?

Your whole "leave Muslim affairs to Muslim women" rant looks really bizarre on the context of you not leaving UK equality to UK women. We demand equality here. Anyone who lives here must treat women equally. You don't want women to be treated equally in the UK, well it's a good job you don't live here then isn't it. What is your problem exactly? In your own words it doesn't affect you at all!

None of these reasons are “dumb” let’s look at some of the reasons for objecting:

1. The law in this country is clear. Women and girls cannot be excluded because of their sex, except in very limited circumstances. This is where it is proportionate to the aims of the situation to make it single sex. By allowing young girls to participate indicates that it is not proportionate to exclude older girls and women. It’s is fundamental to the rule of law one of the pillars on which this country is based that laws apply equally to all.
2. Excluding girls in a public event signifies that girls can be excluded from events purely on the basis of their sex. This is not acceptable in British society., Women should be given the same opportunities as men. By not giving them the same opportunities as men it indicates men have rights above women. This message should not be allowed anywhere Anything that gives this message is not welcome in British society.
3. Why are girls over 13 and women specifically excluded? What is the difference between a 12 year old girl and 13 year old girl? Typically puberty. This seems to be aligning 13 year old girls to women rather than children - this is under no circumstance acceptable for very obvious reasons
4. This gives the message female puberty somehow excludes girls from childhood and full participation in society - again totally unacceptable in British society.

How is it clumsily wording? It's how it is, it is part of the religion. It only applies to men. You are so naive to think the religion doesn't teach exactly this.
Its "men" of all those races,etc Only men are believed to be people. Women and girls aren't considered people in their view.
That's what people are trying to tell you, you can't comprehend it. Women aren't to be spoken of, they don't exist as people.

The level of harassment in Bradford is of a far worse nature, level or scale of harassment compared to where the religion isn't widely represented.

I'm saying it's clumsy wording, because apparently the wording is what a lot of you have an issue with. So if the wording was changed, the event should be okay for those who say the wording, as it currently stands, is not fine.

Also, don't tell me about my own religion, you have no credentials to do so - no offence. I live and breathe the religion, you don't - so you're not in a position to tell me what my religion is or isn't.

Bluntly, most of us here don’t agree with our government, or our money, being spent on Middle Eastern wars. We would happily leave the middle east to fight their own battles, and have more money for our own failing economy. But as most of us aren’t politicians, or Prime Ministers, unfortunately it’s not up to us.

If people wish to come and live in the UK then crack on. But they should absolutely be assimilating and integrating. And I would say exactly the same to any British person moving abroad to a country with a different culture.

How do you know I'm not of the same credentials? Are the credentials that you believe indiscriminately and don't question it? I may know about it a lot more than you do.

And you are not in the U.K. but feel you can comment on it, women here can use this forum to effect change.

I have lived in the UK, and have seen with my own eyes what your society is like. Women are so much worse off in the UK than in any of the Middle Eastern countries I have lived in. Seriously. I don't know why you lot think you can monopolise concepts like equality, respect and tolerance when you do/practice them all so badly. Again, just look at the amount of kids you have that have no father, and your government that lets you women raise children all by yourself, struggle with solo parenting, all while your men can live it up carefree, without any responsibility towards their own children. How about sorting this women's rights issue out BEFORE putting your energy into a charity run. I would argue the deadbeat fathers issue is more important than the charity run one.

What are you changing, though? Is the serious problems of your society going to be solved from women being able to do this run? You lot fry very small fish when you have so much bigger ones right on your table.

Ok great. Enjoy where you are and what you perceive to be better for women and we’ll discuss what we want here.

Since free speech applies to me to, I shall continue to take part in the conversation about your country.

Meanwhile, “your men” are murdering their daughters and sisters in the name of “honour”, marrying girls and getting them pregnant whilst they are still children, banning women from leaving their houses, standing near their windows or speaking out loud and insisting they cover their entire bodies from head to toe…

Or maybe you should be concerned with how it affects women?

Oh, so white men aren't ever pedophiles, right? There isn't an Epstein file full of white men's dirty secrets, right? You don't see old, dirty white men travel to foreign countries where they exploit vulnerable women? No white men ever kill their children, or women...right? No white kids or teenage girls ever get pregnant, surely?

Teen girls and adults excluded from sport isn’t something we want, and yes pushing back on this is what women here can do.

You seem happy with how women are treated where you are which is great, we’re used to and value girls being included.