To think it is outrageous to ban women and girls over 13 from a fun run?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno

I just caught this on the news-the article isn't clear on the justification for this-but this isn't OK is it?

I just knew it. Whenever the conversation is about white men and Muslim women, someone like you has to come along and make the conversation about them, a diminish Muslim women's experience with white men.

I'm older now but competed and won at national and international level in my sport and not that long ago. I could give you a list as long as my arm of discriminatory actions including us few women being sent to the back at a grass roots event. Its nothing new sadly. But yes a fuss should be made.

No one is trying to 'save' muslim women; you do you.

The issue here is trying to 'save' equal rights for all women within the UK.

Have an opinion, by all means. That's not the same as going into some sort of weird battle for a community you are not even a part of. And for what reason, exactly? To help? Help who?

I was with friends on Saturday and this subject came up. It's the first time any of us have discussed Islam and its rise in Britain, and all of us are worried, particularly about the increasing presence of muslims in politics. None of us want this type of misogyny to become normal or acceptable in our country. I'm glad that people are finally talking about what many of us feel is a threat to women's rights.

Plantine - It might help you to realise that - for me and my friends - our concern is for our daughters and granddaughters, not yourself and other muslim women.

I think you'll find if you decide to fit in, integrate and assimilate and adopt the culture of the country you economically and socially benefit from none of those isolated incidents will be happening.

However, non-muslim, western women living and practicing the culture based on equality and tolerance, in their own country, whose values they respect, in the place they've lived for generations, get harassed, abused and have incompatible with ours women hating values imposed and normalised by Muslim men, routinely.

I'm aware of people having to move areas because 50 and 60 year old men would surround playgrounds with little white girls.
I'm aware of people having to move from such area because of those men viewing kids and women as meat and they are not safe. Families actually having to uproot and move because of the culture of the area and how their daughters are viewed there.

And you want this normalised and divide women into whores to be abused and decent women decently saving men from lust and themselves from the tit juggling running alongside Men dishonour.

We don't need this, it doesn't benefit anyone, it's harmful.

Coming to an area where this culture is prevalent we get hassled and harassed in broad daylight.

Three tiny little girls recently murdered by a muslim convert for daring to dance and live the life of normality, freedom and equality.

Having this stuff done openly, excluding women, because they'd be w...res causing temptation for men normalises and makes this behaviour acceptable. We don't need to tolerate it.

You can't see your oppression, shame and pity on you.

Organisers of that run should go to jail for promoting hatred of women and discriminating like this.

We are not saving you. We are saving our 13 year old girls who it would seem are being treated as adult women. If you can’t see what’s wrong with that then you are part of the problem.

Yes to this.

Being a Muslim woman has everything to do with it.

1. Because the article enphasises that this charity is a Muslim one (so me being a Muslim is relevant).
2. IBecause the article specifies in the article that it's women who can't participate in the run (so me being a woman is also relevant).

Don't sit there pretending like the Muslim and Muslim woman part are minor details to this story.

Had they termed it as a fun run for children under 12, and a fun run for men, I'd have been fine with it and thought good luck to them.

They didn't. It's a fun run for everyone except women past adolescence, specifically excluding on grounds of sex. And EqA-wise that has probably buggered them, and rightfully so.

I'm not going to be ok with living in a country where it's ok to exclude women from society on the grounds of them being women, and for this to be excused and normalised. Because then it will grow. Women are already granted rights on paper in law only that the establishment and government don't want them to be able to have in practice, misogyny is something the UK is far, far too comfortable with. I want actual equality please. Not the crumbs men feel ok with me having after they've sorted themselves out.

The discussion was about women being excluded from a public event, to which one response was “yeah but white men…..”

This was the distraction from the point, not someone else pointing out that it’s not just white men.

Oh, please, get off your high horse. Your men are abandoning your children, leaving them essentially fatherless and neglected in every way possible, and you have the audacity to sit there and talk to me about gender equality, respect and tolerance? I don't live in the UK, but from where I'm standing your society is not as great and ideal as you think it is.

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Whataboutery shit . How can you defend this. Abuse and oppression of women. UK Galiead in 2025.
Where the fuck do I move.

What, your 13 year old daughter was planning on participating in this run? Your friends' daughters had every intention of being part of this run?

Whataboutery shit . How can you defend this. Abuse and oppression of women on this scale. UK Galiead in 2025
Where the fuck do I move.

So, you don't have a problem with the concept itself (of age 12+ girls and women not being able to participate), but with the wording? Really? lol.

You’re not in the U.K. and you’re asking women who live here not to talk about this?

We are pretty good at effecting change, and we will keep talking about what we want to see.

What was the point, though? You all state different dumb reasons for your outrage, and talking as if you really want to participate in this run if weren't for the fact that you are excluded. What is the point of your outrage - really?

Well, you don't live in the Middle East, but your country has stuck its nose into our affairs for centuries. So there you go.

We don't have different rules for different races and "cultures". A man beating a woman next door gets reported to the police regardless of his colour, race or culture. You don't get to practice discriminatory and abusive behaviour because it doesn't apply to the white person's daughter. We have the same rules foe everyone.
The basics of a civilised society.

Answer my question please: did you want to participate in the run?

It’s a fun run for charity organised by a mosque.
I’ll trust @Plantinethat if any women connected to that mosque wanted to run, they would organise it themselves. I doubt the wider population want to join in mosque related charity events.

Enjoy what you have and we’ll speak up about what we want.

The wording creates legal discrimination to provide benefit to a specific group who want to do something alone. And it's supposed to be when the benefit to that group and the needs being met would be impacted or lost by not keeping it to that group.

Do I think that it should be ok for children to have events of their own and there are benefits to that? Yes. Of course.

Do I think that it should be ok for men OR women to have events of their own and that there are benefits to that sex class of this? Yes. Of course.

Am I ok with 'everyone in society except women over puberty'? No. It's an incoherent, unjustifiable group that probably won't meet that legal discrimination for positive discrimination, and frames it as exclusionary and prejudiced towards women.

The wording absolutely matters.