To think it is outrageous to ban women and girls over 13 from a fun run?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno

I just caught this on the news-the article isn't clear on the justification for this-but this isn't OK is it?

Except that it isn’t a massive reach though.

Some of the men in the mosque objected to females age 12+ being allowed to join a ‘family’ fun run so they were excluded. Some local women were upset by this.

Sounds pretty anti-women to me.

Do you not count women as valid members of a ‘family’? Do you support discrimination against women?

Bullshit.

We don't have to care what you want, to care about what we want our society to be as a majority.

There's an imbalance inherent in the entire culture along with the religion, with power, influence and education that makes assurances from those impacted like you are claiming somewhat pointless anyway. It's not impossible to be true, but impossible to seperate from those who are indoctrinated, scared, or anything else.

It's why the "councils" or whatever they are, that get waved away as not legally binding and OK, are far more dangerous than some claim. The imbalance makes the ruling a lot different, with minimal chances those who don't want to take part ever not taking part or going along with whatever they say.

Why is she concerned herself with what happens here then? Very odd

Someone corrected me and said she lives in Scandinavia. Sorry!

Bloody hell.

We're all oppressed, you're the only one that's free.

@Plantine if you do genuinely despise Western values as regards women as you suggest, why are you living in Scandinavia? Wouldn’t you be happier in a Muslim country?

Iirc she's actually 9.

Any man who thinks a 13yr old girl is 'a woman' needs their harddrive checked.

I'm pretty sure that if the check your balls campaign ran a male only fun run to raise awareness of testicular cancer, no equality laws would be breached.

Yes, because that would be a proportionate means to a legitimate aim.

Only men can get testicular cancer so raising awareness for men is good.

A ‘family’ fun run that excludes all females over 12 would struggle to argue a legitimate aim for that exclusion without some serious mental gymnastics. Many pps have tried over several threads but none have achieved it.

I feel like understanding of how the Equality Act operates is growing.

Of course this is wrong

We live in a progressive society, men and women are equal and so are boys and girls

we know this isn’t always the case in reality but we should not be turning a blind eye to when misogynistic rules are created

Why do people not read quote threads?

Which is why I have no issue with this or other exclusionary charity related activities.

Setting aside the law (as legality does not define morality imo) what really is the difference between a run that:

a) Allows men and boys but bars all women and girls

b) Allows men boys and girls under 12 but bars girls over 12 and women.

Morally, not legally. How can people be ok with a) but not b)?

But this is not a single sex event. It’s an example of what the Equality Act calls ‘combined discrimination’ and is potentially unlawful unless other exceptions apply.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/14

I haven’t mentioned the Equality Act.

And I have. It’s not a single sex event, which is why it’s potentially unlawful. Because of the EA.

Cool.

But I didn’t mention the Equality Act. Legality and Morality are not synonyms.

You’re right. Morality is notoriously flexible. Luckily the law trumps it.

Cool - go and quote the Equality Act at somebody who mentioned it.

Race for Life is aimed at women as they are by far the dominant sex affected by breast cancer. A single sex (for adults) space creates a safe space for vulnerable women affected by cancer treatment including mastectomies that can make returning to/ taking up running more challenging. Children can participate because to exclude children could prevent mothers from participating, so it is in the interest of women to allow children for childcare issues and prevent childcare from being an obstacle to participation.

If a male running event was set up to promote a male specific cause such as prostrate cancer or men's mental health, that would also be proportionate in creating a safe space to discuss sensitive issues.

Women of any religion face additional barriers to participating in sport for reasons such as culture and safety. If a group/ event was set up to promote running as a sport to demographics who are marginalised, that's fine. There are clubs set up for all kinds of demographics/ minorities to make sports more accessible.

What isn't fine is to say males can join, girls up to 12yo can join, but women can't join when there is no specific exemption to justify the exclusion. It hasn't been pitched as a men's event with children due to childcare; it's been pitched as a family fun run minus women and older girls past puberty. If anything, Muslim women would benefit from events to enable them to participate safely and appropriately (with their cultural practices) and open up the physical and mental benefits of sports such as running.
Some communities do have groups like this which is positive for many reasons.

Yes @Plantine wouldnt you be happier in a country that had Sharia Law? Were you born in Scandinavia or did you move there? Because if you’ve chosen to live in yet another devil Western country then why? As it’s clearly not in line with your values

An event that is single sex is single sex for a reason. Upthread pp gave an example of a run to raise awareness of testicular cancer. Another good example is women’s breast cancer awareness.

As you may know, testicular cancer only affects men, therefore it would be perfectly reasonable to create a men only event.

This event was a family fun run.

Women are generally an important family member.

Reportedly some or the more religious men in the mosque said they didn’t want women there. So the organisers banned the group of females they deem to be ‘women’ ie all females age 12 and above. This says a lot about their view of women and their right to participate in ‘family’ events.

It is neither lawful or moral to exclude women from this event in the say so of some of the very religious men who believe that women shouldn’t participate in society on a level with men.

People, especially women , who think it is ok to treat women badly because of religion need to give their heads a big wobble.

Why is morality relevant? It's illegal
End of. Do you waste your life doing thought gymnastics about whether other illegal things are actually not that immoral and people should be able to do them or not? Bit of moral shop lifting anyone? 🙄

Of course it's immoral. A mens run for a male problem like testicular cancer - fine. An "inclusive family run" that excluded one member of the family - mums - not fine. And it's not fine because it's described as an event for the whole family, and everyone is allowed to come of both sexes and all ages EXCEPT adult women, who are actually part of families FFS. So it's not a fucking family run is it!? Also the reason why women are not allowed to take part is the problem. The disgusting sexist reasons women aren't allowed to run with their families are the big problems.

You seem to argue against women's rights on many threads. Why is that?

Why are you trying to remove the Equality Act from this discussion? It gives us a legal framework to prevent morally unjustified discrimination .

Is it because you want to argue that excluding women from this family fun run is moral and justified?

I must say I’m a little surprised to see someone who regularly argues AGAINST women’s rights to single sex spaces here now arguing for men’s rights. Oh wait…