To think that it's about time islamic fundamentalism is dissected and challenged

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Did anyone read the very interesting article by Matthew Syed (sorry if behind a paywall) - Sunday Times: 'One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries':
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/middle-east-religious-fanaticism-iran-kcvh5knn3

"The Middle East was once the centre of the intellectual world. Then it went into reverse. The problem then, as now, is Islamic fundamentalism. No peace or prosperity is possible until the madrassas and other machines of indoctrination are confronted"

What you’re describing is how it should be. People from different backgrounds rubbing along together in friendly and harmonious manner, bound together by common British cultural values in which people still retain parts of their cultural heritage that are incidental to those common values.

And yes, Muslims can clearly be a part of that. I’ve worked with a couple myself and got on well with them. The issue isn’t with assimilated Muslims, of which they’ll be many amongst the 4 million that now call the UK home, it’s with the communities whose culture has not integrated, and is literally foreign to ours…. where democratic principles, freedom of expression and belief, tolerance of other lifestyles, women’s rights and the rule of (British) law (all the core components of our values and culture) do not apply.

Increasingly, these communities increasingly try to impose their culture and values on Britain - note the 5k public fun run last weekend that girls over 12 weren’t allowed to compete in as an example.

Christian fundamentalists are persecuting people, for their sexuality for example, 6 hours away from us in Africa.

Yes but it’s nowhere near the same scale. It just isn’t.

Persecution of homosexuals in certain African nations? It bloody well is!

Certain people just will not have it that fundamental Islam is anything but a good thing . I mean, the poster that said cultural practices are none of our business. Really?!

Is repeated cousin marriage none of our business? The resulting children (see stats) are the taxpayers’ business, aside from anything else. The fact that first generations are renewing (rather than becoming assimilated) is not our business? When whole communities cannot speak English? The NHS alone spends a vast sum on translators. The fact that adult offspring of immigrants (ie second generation) require translation help is concerning - or maybe not to some posters. Perhaps they have got their snout in the trough in some way!

@MrsSkylerWhite how is the persecution of homosexuals by Christians in some African countries on the same scale as that as Muslim countries?

Google is your friend, if you genuinely want to know.

Why say ‘Christians do it too!’ other than to deflect?

Necklacing of gay people, and vigilante violence full stop, is horrific and evil.

This thread is about Islamic fundamentalism. A big problem with Islamic fundamentalism specifically is that people living their nice safe lives in the west constantly try to shut down debate about it.

Christians, Muslims, and literally everyone are at risk from these crazed groups.

Whoa! I haven't looked at all the links but you claim they are all white or christian or right wing terrorism. The Southport stabbings were not done in the name of Christianity. The perpetrator was black and he had no connections to right wing politics/parties. Talk about chatting shit....

Because it’s true. Both are horrendous.

It’s just the what about deflection stuff. People need to divert, who knows why.

More than one thing can be true at once. That’s hardly deflection.
Personally, I think all religion is dangerous.

Religion is not a monolith; its impact is complex and varied. It can be an incredibly positive and constructive force in the world, fostering compassion, community, and well-being. At the same time, it can be, and has been, used to justify violence, oppression, and individual harm. To state 'religion is dangerous' is inaccurate and simplistic.

You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion, as am I.

@MrsSkylerWhite number of Muslim majority countries who punish homosexuality with death - 11. Number of Christian majority countries who do the same - 1.

Estimated number of executions for homosexuality in Muslim majority counties is in excess of 6,000. Number of executions in Christian countries for homosexuality - nil. Estimated murders by Christian vigilantes for homosexuality in African counties - around 200. Documented cases of vigilante murdered in Muslim majority counties - over 400.

Yawn. Yup. Some people are of the opinion urine has a positive impact on health when drank. Others are of the opinion that the earth is flat. Doesn't make their opinion factually correct though does it?

Do you agree that each and every murder is equally wrong, whoever the perpetrator?

Yes but that works both ways and Oct 7 is swept under the rug to accommodate the Palestine frenzy.

Not by me it isn’t! It’s quite possible to hold two thoughts at the same time. The October 7th attacks were beyond horror. So is what subsequently happened to innocents in Gaza.

Agree.
Question, Skylar:- which group poses the biggest threat to the UK?

Answer:- Islamic terrorism.
By the way this isn't just my opinion. It is the opinion of Ken McCallum, Director General of MI5.

@MrsSkylerWhite what’s that got to do with it? You claimed the persecution of gays in African countries by Christians is on the same scale as that in Muslim countries. Given the definition of scale is relative size of extent of something, this is untrue.

Far right extremism is on the rise, too. I heard from a credible source, honestly can’t remember but mostly listen to Radio 4, Newsnight, etc. Around 60% of people being referred to Prevent are now young, white males being targeted and radicalised online.
The whole situation is certainly deeply concerning, wherever the threat comes from.

Sorry, what’s what got to do with what?

For as long as we have islamic terrorism we will see a rise in far right ideology. There is a significant body of research that indicates a strong connection between the rise of far right extremism and islamic terrorism. Think of it like a mutually reinforcing dynamic.

Yes it’s pretty easy to see a connection. People push back against something they don’t want.