Does anyone else feel like this about Gaza/Israel?

[Rattanlamp]

I know it sounds awful, but I’m desperate for a break from Gaza. I feel like we’ve had 2 straight years of hearing about absolutely nothing else. It feels like you can’t switch the radio on, or open Facebook, or even pop to the shop without hearing chants of PALESTINE and having flags waved in your face. It’s been absolutely relentless, and wildly disproportionate compared to other conflicts and atrocities around the world.

Of course it’s hideous that so many civilians have been killed, in particular children. But it feels like Palestine truly believes it is the only population who suffered during the 1940s and is the only country to ever lose territory or be reshaped by global events. I feel like everyone else adjusted to their new normal, for the sake of peace, while Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

It’s utterly exhausting the globe and I have zero hope they will now smell the coffee and take the opportunity to kick Hamas out because ultimately they don’t want peace. Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing, and I think it’s very unlikely they will ever be willing to move on from past events.

AIBU to think we now just need to leave them to it for the sake of all involved?

I think you should urgently write to Hamas, Israel, the USA and the 7 ME countries to inform them their definition of war is very much wrong, and the war is in fact very much active.

And I think you should educate yourself a bit more.

Ah, the thought terminating cliche used by the loser of the debate.

If it makes you feel better about yourself to claim that you've "won" the debate, feel free to claim your "victory".

I don't feel any need to prove myself on this thread and I can't really be arsed to keep going round in circles, so I am happy to accept a ceasefire which doesn't actually resolve anything.

Did you have part of your land stolen?

Does that justify a terror group murdering 1000 people and taking hostages?

Why is ‘land stolen’ a free pass to be as brutal as you want? Virtually every country has had its borders redefined throughout history. What would happen is they waged war constantly over it?

Well I have. You’ve lied and been incredibly disingenuous all the way through, because you’re too proud to admit you are wrong about 1 relatively minor detail. Instead of saying ‘ah ok, so yes they do consider the war over, my mistake, but my feelings are still the same’ you’ve tried to deny you ever said it, then tried to redefine the word ‘war’, then said there is such a thing as ‘inactive war’ (laughable!), now you’re being passively aggressive to desperately cling to some moral high ground you lost 3 pages back. Only 1 poster has defended you and that’s because they’d support Pennywise the Clown if he came out as Pro Palestinian.

Do you think the six people killed today or the decision to keep a key aid crossing closed is evidence that they all think the war is over?

What about the 8 publicly executed by Hamas? Is it civil war now?

Well, potentially. Except I don't actually know whether it could technically be declared as a civil war when it isn't actually a state. But tensions could certainly escalate between the different factions in Gaza.

I assume that you didn't want to answer my question?

‘Tensions escalating between different factions’. By ‘faction’ do you mean the Sharia terrorist group who gratuitously murdered 1000 Israeli citizens while filming themselves on go pros so they could relive the torture again afterwards?

Skirmishes are normal after a ceasefire. If Gazans approached the ceasefire line then that’s on them. If they didn’t, that’s on Israel. You’ve instantly chosen what you want to believe. I haven’t.

It’s interesting your ‘vision’ of a self governing Gaza which is now coming to fruition involves mass public execution on day 1 of their ‘freedom’. Hamas now have the capacity to hunt down the ‘collaborators and challengers’ and publicly murder them. Enjoy your Palestinian State!

I don't believe I've said anything about a vision for a self-governing Gaza, so you're just making stuff up now.

For the record, I dislike Hamas at least as much as I dislike the Israeli government, but none of that is relevant to the discussion that we have been having, which has been about the question of whether or not the conflict has been resolved. You can be horrified by the brutal October 7th massacres and by the genocide in Gaza while also acknowledging that the issues are complex and not yet resolved.

For someone who was sick of hearing about Gaza, you do seem to be rather preoccupied with it.

You dislike the ‘government’ of Gaza just as much as you dislike Israel, but want to leave Gaza completely and utterly in their control free from any intervention from anyone else to repress even part of their barbarity because ‘from the river to the sea’. Have I got this right?

No, you haven't. HTH

You are young but you are also right. Gaza has received more focus than any other war. And focus seems to have been on lies if the crowds of okay looking people walking back to their homes is anything to go by. The released prisoners look pretty healthy, too. Though I keep hearing that some cannot walk and they have terrible injuries, I have seen none - perhaps tomorrow.

What a privilege it is to be able to look away.

I think it probably does. The Geneva Convention alone made no difference.

I agree with the first paragraph but not the second. I think people are allowed to be bitter about land carve outs till the end of time if they want. What other nations may or may not have accepted is neither here nor there.

But I cannot see peace ever being an option in that region as I think deep down what both sides want just isn't possible without the complete removal of the other side from that region. And that's never gonna happen.

All that will happen is lulls in violence and tbh, not my circus, not my monkeys.

Exactly what happened to collaborators in Athens when it was occupied by Nazis.

Tbh I doubt they’re even collaborators - just rivals to Hamas and their never ending reign of terror. This is what the Palestine mob wanted 🤷‍♀️

The only thing that ended the war was Trump. Do you think he was influenced by the marchers?

Thought you said the war is over?

Hamas need to be overthrown and Palestine developed into a modern country for there ever to be lasting peace in the region.

With Israel, yes. Not so much among themselves sadly but this is what you all wanted.

They don’t even want that.