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To be a resentful breadwinner

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maw86 · 10/10/2025 19:50

So, the stats are:

  • 2 young kids (1.5 and 4)
  • Together 8 years, obviously kids together and a mortgage
  • I earn over 3 x more than him - a combination of me earning well as a senior city lawyer (I know, cry me a river etc.) and him not so much as a creative
  • I work harder (5 days condensed in 4), have more work pressure etc.
  • Household expenses are split 75/25
  • I pay for extra stuff on top of that like kids clothes and activities on my NWD with the kids
  • During second mat leave I ran up credit card debt to keep covering my share of expenses and have the time off, so I'm paying that off and not saving anything
  • He's responsible for laundry, weekly groceries shop, washing up, most drop offs, 2 pick ups, energy bill, cleaning ish (we have a cleaner every 2 weeks)
  • I'm responsible for everything else. Budgeting, household admin (insurance, car, buying stuff needed in the house), kidmin, weekend plans and booking things, every element of every holiday, bday/xmas plans/presents, 1 NWD with the kids 2 pick ups and flex on drop offs, whatever else we all do to run a home.

I've been resentful for some time and communicated this to him. My resentment is now spreading into generally feeling not supported / looked after / respected in general. Without being too woo woo I feel like he doesn't hold me up and that we're not a partnership. He isn't great at emotional support and I feel like he dampens my spirit rather than lifts it. Our romantic/sex life is non existent. We've been round the houses talking about some of these gripes for years and he wants to do better but isn't hitting the mark. He is a good dad in terms of how he interacts with the kids and is "hands on" to an average level. He isn't mean to me or abusive or violent or anything like that. We get on well, have stuff in common, make each other life etc. but this issue is always brewing.

A good friend had a direct word with me today about whether I really see a future with him - she's worried about me burning out and not having what I deserve and was basically angling for me to leave. Obviously she's biased, in the best way, so I'm here for some neutral views and different opinions. I know I am definitely not alone as a woman carrying the mental load and a disproportionate chunk of household responsibility, so is that just the way it is? Is there something else at play here around missing a kind of masculinity / protector / supporter figure? Am I being taken for a ride or am I a shallow b*tch?!

Bracing myself...

OP posts:
january1244 · 14/10/2025 08:53

@maw86i think there is something in that re: the responsibility. Sometimes it feels crushing, and there’s no way to get off the carousel. I don’t know about you, but I feel that after the second baby, I’ve found it harder at work. Last night we were both up all night with a sick baby. Today I’ve got important presentations, and had about two hours asleep and feel fuzzy headed. My industry is one that gets rid of people each year that don’t perform. I think the male breadwinners feel similarly to you also. I’ve had some honest discussions with male friends and colleagues and they feel resentful. It’s probably also just the stage of life, we’re all exhausted.

Counselling sounds good. We haven’t done that because honestly, I don’t have the time or headspace right now. But it seems to have helped people on the thread.

Any chance you can readjust the bills split? Perhaps two thirds you, and one third him? And absolutely add your debt in as a joint bill to pay

DoggieHeaven · 14/10/2025 08:56

maw86 · 14/10/2025 08:25

I can see that but it is most drop offs, it's 2 out of 3, I didn't clarify the ins and outs of the full week because I thought it would be boring to people! I do think there's something in what you're saying about feelings and facts. This thread is making me wonder if my problem isn't who is doing more physically but who is responsible for more? It doesn't matter if you're low on clean laundry, it does matter if you lose the main income or even f up the home insurance. That and there is a deeper disconnect that I haven't put my finger on. I think he agrees with that. He has said his self worth / self esteem is low, that he wants to be better and have an equal partnership, and that I'm 'hard to keep up with'. I think some of that is problematic.

Maybe he should let you run out of clean washing and see how unimportant you find it then? Or stop doing all the other things he does? No more pick ups?

Tigerthatcametobrunch · 14/10/2025 08:58

maw86 · 14/10/2025 08:25

I can see that but it is most drop offs, it's 2 out of 3, I didn't clarify the ins and outs of the full week because I thought it would be boring to people! I do think there's something in what you're saying about feelings and facts. This thread is making me wonder if my problem isn't who is doing more physically but who is responsible for more? It doesn't matter if you're low on clean laundry, it does matter if you lose the main income or even f up the home insurance. That and there is a deeper disconnect that I haven't put my finger on. I think he agrees with that. He has said his self worth / self esteem is low, that he wants to be better and have an equal partnership, and that I'm 'hard to keep up with'. I think some of that is problematic.

I think what is problematic for me is that he says "you're hard to keep up with" pushing the blame for his shortcomings onto you for having a decent job that keeps the family afloat and getting stuff done.

His self esteem isn't going to get better unless he takes responsibility for the situation. The problem isn't that you're hard to keep up with, the problem is him not trying.

He sounds to me like he needs counselling. Id give myself a mental deadline, and insist he starts to put steps in place to improve the situation. If he doesn't put effort into change you've got your answer.

He can't just say he wants to be better, he needs to show you in actual ways that he is trying to do it- whether it's looking for jobs, going to therapy or stepping up at home.

And beyond the initial conversation this is something that has to come from him- it's not another thing for you to manage.

ishimbob · 14/10/2025 09:22

maw86 · 14/10/2025 08:25

I can see that but it is most drop offs, it's 2 out of 3, I didn't clarify the ins and outs of the full week because I thought it would be boring to people! I do think there's something in what you're saying about feelings and facts. This thread is making me wonder if my problem isn't who is doing more physically but who is responsible for more? It doesn't matter if you're low on clean laundry, it does matter if you lose the main income or even f up the home insurance. That and there is a deeper disconnect that I haven't put my finger on. I think he agrees with that. He has said his self worth / self esteem is low, that he wants to be better and have an equal partnership, and that I'm 'hard to keep up with'. I think some of that is problematic.

It's not just this one thing tho - throughout the thread there is a pattern where you diminish his contribution:

Oh when I said he did two pick ups, it's just one and when I said he did the drop offs, he doesn't do all of getting the kids ready

When I said he did the food shop, I write him a list

When I said he cleaned in between the cleaner, he actually doesn't do much

He does do the laundry but clean clothes aren't that important

And correspondingly the annual insurance renewal is built up quite a lot into something that it perhaps isn't?

I can sort of see where his self esteem might not be high.

There's also just a general tone which you have where you almost come across like you think you're better/more important than him because of your higher salary - he's not "up to the mark", you're kind of monitoring his performance like he is a member of your staff.

I am a bit more like your DP and my DH is more like you - my DH has a tendency to take on admin tasks and get annoyed with me for not doing them but the truth is that he has real difficulty letting go of them. Are you a bit like that?

If you're honest with yourself, would you actually be ok with him taking on holiday planning or would it annoy you? I also have a best friend like this - I guess I must like this dynamic - and going away with her is a similar exercise in frustration, she wants to plan everything far earlier and in more detail than I do and then gets annoyed that I haven't, but I didn't want to, I actually wanted to wing it more!

I would definitely think about reframing some of this in your mind - treating him like the equal partner you want him to be, trusting him, thanking him. This dynamic where you treat him like an unsatisfactory member of staff is just poisonous

Tigerthatcametobrunch · 14/10/2025 09:57

ishimbob · 14/10/2025 09:22

It's not just this one thing tho - throughout the thread there is a pattern where you diminish his contribution:

Oh when I said he did two pick ups, it's just one and when I said he did the drop offs, he doesn't do all of getting the kids ready

When I said he did the food shop, I write him a list

When I said he cleaned in between the cleaner, he actually doesn't do much

He does do the laundry but clean clothes aren't that important

And correspondingly the annual insurance renewal is built up quite a lot into something that it perhaps isn't?

I can sort of see where his self esteem might not be high.

There's also just a general tone which you have where you almost come across like you think you're better/more important than him because of your higher salary - he's not "up to the mark", you're kind of monitoring his performance like he is a member of your staff.

I am a bit more like your DP and my DH is more like you - my DH has a tendency to take on admin tasks and get annoyed with me for not doing them but the truth is that he has real difficulty letting go of them. Are you a bit like that?

If you're honest with yourself, would you actually be ok with him taking on holiday planning or would it annoy you? I also have a best friend like this - I guess I must like this dynamic - and going away with her is a similar exercise in frustration, she wants to plan everything far earlier and in more detail than I do and then gets annoyed that I haven't, but I didn't want to, I actually wanted to wing it more!

I would definitely think about reframing some of this in your mind - treating him like the equal partner you want him to be, trusting him, thanking him. This dynamic where you treat him like an unsatisfactory member of staff is just poisonous

Is it diminishing, or is it just recognising that even for the things that are his tasks he needs help. He's doing the drop off, but even then she has to organise it.

I think if you took out that the OP was earning more, we'd look at weaponisesd incompetence. He's said he'll do the food shop, but she has to instruct him on what to buy else he'll get the wrong things. He'll take the kids somewhere but she needs to make sure they're ready, on time and have what they need.

It sounds like he does half jobs to me.

I think the crux of it is, no one is entitled to a partner, and if someone isn't making you happy or your life better you don't have to stay with them.

OP isn't happy. As women we should be standing up for each other and helping eachother find relationships we are happy in. Not telling her to knuckle under because we see ourselves as the DP in this situation and are getting offended.

ishimbob · 14/10/2025 10:15

Tigerthatcametobrunch · 14/10/2025 09:57

Is it diminishing, or is it just recognising that even for the things that are his tasks he needs help. He's doing the drop off, but even then she has to organise it.

I think if you took out that the OP was earning more, we'd look at weaponisesd incompetence. He's said he'll do the food shop, but she has to instruct him on what to buy else he'll get the wrong things. He'll take the kids somewhere but she needs to make sure they're ready, on time and have what they need.

It sounds like he does half jobs to me.

I think the crux of it is, no one is entitled to a partner, and if someone isn't making you happy or your life better you don't have to stay with them.

OP isn't happy. As women we should be standing up for each other and helping eachother find relationships we are happy in. Not telling her to knuckle under because we see ourselves as the DP in this situation and are getting offended.

I think you're going even further than the OP

She doesn't say she organises the drop off, but that they get the kids ready together

She also doesn't say he would buy the wrong things, she sort of has to give him a list because she is doing the cooking and wants to choose what she makes

What I am trying to say is that she needs to break the dynamic if she wants to fix the issue

DarkForces · 14/10/2025 10:45

C'mon, insurance renewal comes through you check it looks reasonable and click renew if so. At worse you click on your account with a price comparison site and get some quotes. It's easy.
Book a day off to go Christmas shopping together. It should be fun. Invest in some reusable wrapping bags or do it together over a glass of wine.
Holidays- sure just use a travel agent if it's stressing you. I love planning holidays so I'm probably biased but I get ai to suggest options based on my requirements.

Washing, pick ups and general drudgery are far more of a drain but it's just adult stuff you both muck in with.

ParmaVioletTea · 14/10/2025 13:30

who’s to say she wasn’t just pissing hers up the wall while she was taking the extra time off work? If she’s in such a hotshot job with such huge earnings why on earth wasn’t this financially planned for in advance?

Oh, FFS, her money paid for house renovations to make their house suitable for two small children. Her DH didn't & can't pay for this sort of thing, and required her to go into debt for her to cover a shortfall in maternity pauy so she could look after HIS child, but it's @maw86 who's in the wrong, and pissing away her money ...???

rookiemere · 14/10/2025 13:44

Tigerthatcametobrunch · 14/10/2025 09:57

Is it diminishing, or is it just recognising that even for the things that are his tasks he needs help. He's doing the drop off, but even then she has to organise it.

I think if you took out that the OP was earning more, we'd look at weaponisesd incompetence. He's said he'll do the food shop, but she has to instruct him on what to buy else he'll get the wrong things. He'll take the kids somewhere but she needs to make sure they're ready, on time and have what they need.

It sounds like he does half jobs to me.

I think the crux of it is, no one is entitled to a partner, and if someone isn't making you happy or your life better you don't have to stay with them.

OP isn't happy. As women we should be standing up for each other and helping eachother find relationships we are happy in. Not telling her to knuckle under because we see ourselves as the DP in this situation and are getting offended.

It’s a bit reductionist to say we should always support women. There are two DCs in this mix as well and it’s worth exploring things before splitting the household.
There’s definitely three ways to look at the situation, one is the OPs, two is her DPs and the third is the truth.
Some folks seem to be acting as if the DH doesn’t work full time and does nothing around the house.Neither of those things are true. It seems like OP procreated with a panda and now expects him to become a lion.

Tigerthatcametobrunch · 14/10/2025 13:45

rookiemere · 14/10/2025 13:44

It’s a bit reductionist to say we should always support women. There are two DCs in this mix as well and it’s worth exploring things before splitting the household.
There’s definitely three ways to look at the situation, one is the OPs, two is her DPs and the third is the truth.
Some folks seem to be acting as if the DH doesn’t work full time and does nothing around the house.Neither of those things are true. It seems like OP procreated with a panda and now expects him to become a lion.

That doesn't mean she has to live with it forever and put up with it if it is making her unhappy. Relationships break down all the time. She sounds unhappy, he sounds unhappy. The advice should be focused on getting them to a point where they can be happy, not telling her she needs to put up with it because he's doing a wee bit round the house

TwinklyStork · 14/10/2025 13:49

ParmaVioletTea · 14/10/2025 13:30

who’s to say she wasn’t just pissing hers up the wall while she was taking the extra time off work? If she’s in such a hotshot job with such huge earnings why on earth wasn’t this financially planned for in advance?

Oh, FFS, her money paid for house renovations to make their house suitable for two small children. Her DH didn't & can't pay for this sort of thing, and required her to go into debt for her to cover a shortfall in maternity pauy so she could look after HIS child, but it's @maw86 who's in the wrong, and pissing away her money ...???

She said herself she was terrible with money, I haven’t just pulled that out of thin air.

T1Dmama · 14/10/2025 13:55

Who does things like putting the bins out? Mowing the lawn? Keeping the garden up?
who books the cars MOT & services? Sorts insurance for house/car… who sorts the Netflix or whatever you have? Utility bills etc?
Does your husband work 5 days a week? What are his hours? 9-5?
I wonder if you’re a bit of a control freak?…. My mum wi he’s constantly about how much she does, but any offer of help is refused, or she comes up with reasons why the help just wouldn’t work or would somehow make her life harder…. Do you do this? Maybe you need to hand over more to your partner and let him do it without you watching over his shoulder…
as I asked before, why can’t he arrange the weekend? Why can’t he do some
of the life admin stuff?

ParmaVioletTea · 14/10/2025 13:57

TwinklyStork · 14/10/2025 13:49

She said herself she was terrible with money, I haven’t just pulled that out of thin air.

But you neglected to read her explanation for having to pay for her maternity leave via a loan. Setting aside the fact that her DC's father couldn't be arsed to even notice that's what she had to do, to birth & nurture his child.

TwinklyStork · 14/10/2025 14:02

ParmaVioletTea · 14/10/2025 13:57

But you neglected to read her explanation for having to pay for her maternity leave via a loan. Setting aside the fact that her DC's father couldn't be arsed to even notice that's what she had to do, to birth & nurture his child.

But why? Why wasn’t this planned for if she’s such a high earner? Because a) she decided to take a load more time off work and b) she’s terrible with money!

BountifulPantry · 14/10/2025 14:24

How about a total refresh of who does what chores.

For one month write down every single thing that you do and he does the same along with approx times (5 mins, 1 hour etc)

Seeing what each other does in black and white is an eye opener that’s for sure. He’ll be doing things you have no idea were even a job and vice versa.

Sit down with your spreadsheets and look at how you can split things more fairly given your respective work.

The disconnect needs to be worked on separately. You probably need to start having sex again. You need to prioritise spending time with each other child free. In your heart of hearts where does the disconnect stem from?

rookiemere · 14/10/2025 14:39

ParmaVioletTea · 14/10/2025 13:57

But you neglected to read her explanation for having to pay for her maternity leave via a loan. Setting aside the fact that her DC's father couldn't be arsed to even notice that's what she had to do, to birth & nurture his child.

But I suspect OP was the one who wanted to keep finances separate because she earns so much more.

If Finances had been combined then she wouldn’t have needed a loan, or if they hadn’t proceeded with home improvements which appear to have been driven by OP.

Look ultimately none of us know the whole story here, but from the posts OP has posted I believe it’s worth doing counselling- even if OP has to organise it herself- to try and reach some sort of compromise.

Many couples struggle when DCs are young particularly when both work ft, and there are many posts about DHs/DPs not pulling their weight. I certainly don’t mean OP has to suck it up, but it’s worth exploring all options before breaking up.

Doubledenim305 · 14/10/2025 18:25

Despite reading most of the posts, I think the husband sounds fine. I wouldn't tolerate someone writing me a list of things they can do for me to appreciate them because they earn more money.
Everyone is different in what they want/expect/tolerate but I wouldn't like being treated as second class citizen because I earn less.

FateReset · 14/10/2025 18:46

He's responsible for laundry, weekly groceries shop, washing up, most drop offs, 2 pick ups, energy bill, cleaning ish (we have a cleaner every 2 weeks)

I wonder if he feels unappreciated too?
You list his responsibilities in quite a dismissive way. Yet he does all the cleaning (in between the fortnightly visits), all groceries shopping, most school runs, all washing up, all laundry? Maybe he'd respect your senior position more if you stepped into help with the practical legwork. Delegate him some of your admin tasks, and see what it's like doing laundry for a family of 4? The collecting, separating into washes, drying, folding, putting it all away. Towels, bedding, rags, potty training washes. We have 2 kids and I do 3-4 laundry loads a day, most days! I'm a SAHM but your DH is working. If my high earning DH was this patronising about cleaning, laundry, washing up, school runs I'd have difficulty viewing him with respect!

financialcareerstuff · 15/10/2025 12:56

Doubledenim305 · 14/10/2025 18:25

Despite reading most of the posts, I think the husband sounds fine. I wouldn't tolerate someone writing me a list of things they can do for me to appreciate them because they earn more money.
Everyone is different in what they want/expect/tolerate but I wouldn't like being treated as second class citizen because I earn less.

I think you are referring to my list of ‘tank fillers’, which a few people have been shocked by. I can understand why, and I didn’t give full context. (And just to be clear I’m not the OP, I think a few people have merged us!).

A few things to explain further for that situation. First it’s a second marriage- we don’t have young kids so he’s not picking up more of that role. And second, for two years, he’s been choosing not to earn money in ‘less inspiring ways’ a creative like him could, in order to pursue a long term dream- which could bring in a lot at some point, but has brought in almost nothing through that time… (in fact has required significant investment)…and what little comes in goes to his family obligations or those investments. So I am carrying everything financially. In parallel, I’m working a high paid, high pressure job which I would love to give up or downscale, and would be much more able to give up if I weren’t the sole provider….. while also going through peri and feeling my energy and physical wellbeing plummet, but battling on because I have to.

So yes. I do believe in those circumstances I am basically carrying much more load for both of us, and I need to be taken care of in some other way to help me not burn out. Don’t get me wrong- I care for him very actively and am a loving wife on top of providing - I also do all the cooking. I also give him a lot of practical help towards his dream. But for my wellbeing to stay on an even keel and for the relationship to work for me emotionally, I need to feel I’m receiving too. He is not trying to exploit me. He carried a lot of the house and garden work. And He works madly hard towards this dream, and what he creates is incredible, but right now it’s a drain at a time I already feel overstretched. I definitely fulfil his needs - emotionally and practically. And he needs to fulfil mine too.

in terms of the list itself- that was requested. I would love him to instinctively know and just do it- and some times he does, but he was feeling pretty powerless, as he doesn’t have funds of his own- so it rules dates/ nice dinners/ spoiling with presents out. And he was doing stuff to try to help that I actually didn’t find useful in reducing my sense of being drained. I don’t believe in getting pissed off because you are not receiving things you haven’t asked for. Or expecting your partner to read your mind….. or getting burned out and malnourished enough to become angry beyond repair. Much better to help the person help you be happy. So he got the list.

I can understand how it sounded a bit like being an entitled empress on high, thinking I deserved more, but I don’t think it’s really like this. It is about articulating what I need and if he cares enough to meet those needs great (which he does). It also gives us an easy language for understanding each other. When I get overwhelmed and overtired and angry feeling, I simply say “I’m feeling depleted…. My tank is empty”, and he immediately knows what to do “of course. Don’t worry about dinner. Put your feet up. Let me run you a bath… I’ll handle x and y tonight”. I end the night feeling grateful, loved and revived. It works. But it also doesn’t hide that there is an inequity right now. Or that we both don’t want that to last forever.

I do believe and stand by that there needs to be equity in how much people are giving and receiving long term. Practically, financially and emotionally. And if one part of that balance is very skewed in one direction, it helps if the balance is skewed in the other direction in other ways. Or if in one or two years the balance is towards one partner, it flips in future years. I actually hope and expect that his big dreams will pay off (they are realistic, not pie in the sky). And I will be able to retire while he continues to work (which he would want to). But for now, we are both aware that things are skewed and we are both on board with trying to make that not feel too bad.

ParmaVioletTea · 15/10/2025 14:18

I can understand how it sounded a bit like being an entitled empress on high, thinking I deserved more, but I don’t think it’s really like this.

@financialcareerstuff I don't think you sound entitled at all. In fact, quite the reverse. If the sexes were reversed, I doubt a wife would need such a list. Most women would know without needing to be told.

Doubledenim305 · 15/10/2025 14:18

financialcareerstuff · 15/10/2025 12:56

I think you are referring to my list of ‘tank fillers’, which a few people have been shocked by. I can understand why, and I didn’t give full context. (And just to be clear I’m not the OP, I think a few people have merged us!).

A few things to explain further for that situation. First it’s a second marriage- we don’t have young kids so he’s not picking up more of that role. And second, for two years, he’s been choosing not to earn money in ‘less inspiring ways’ a creative like him could, in order to pursue a long term dream- which could bring in a lot at some point, but has brought in almost nothing through that time… (in fact has required significant investment)…and what little comes in goes to his family obligations or those investments. So I am carrying everything financially. In parallel, I’m working a high paid, high pressure job which I would love to give up or downscale, and would be much more able to give up if I weren’t the sole provider….. while also going through peri and feeling my energy and physical wellbeing plummet, but battling on because I have to.

So yes. I do believe in those circumstances I am basically carrying much more load for both of us, and I need to be taken care of in some other way to help me not burn out. Don’t get me wrong- I care for him very actively and am a loving wife on top of providing - I also do all the cooking. I also give him a lot of practical help towards his dream. But for my wellbeing to stay on an even keel and for the relationship to work for me emotionally, I need to feel I’m receiving too. He is not trying to exploit me. He carried a lot of the house and garden work. And He works madly hard towards this dream, and what he creates is incredible, but right now it’s a drain at a time I already feel overstretched. I definitely fulfil his needs - emotionally and practically. And he needs to fulfil mine too.

in terms of the list itself- that was requested. I would love him to instinctively know and just do it- and some times he does, but he was feeling pretty powerless, as he doesn’t have funds of his own- so it rules dates/ nice dinners/ spoiling with presents out. And he was doing stuff to try to help that I actually didn’t find useful in reducing my sense of being drained. I don’t believe in getting pissed off because you are not receiving things you haven’t asked for. Or expecting your partner to read your mind….. or getting burned out and malnourished enough to become angry beyond repair. Much better to help the person help you be happy. So he got the list.

I can understand how it sounded a bit like being an entitled empress on high, thinking I deserved more, but I don’t think it’s really like this. It is about articulating what I need and if he cares enough to meet those needs great (which he does). It also gives us an easy language for understanding each other. When I get overwhelmed and overtired and angry feeling, I simply say “I’m feeling depleted…. My tank is empty”, and he immediately knows what to do “of course. Don’t worry about dinner. Put your feet up. Let me run you a bath… I’ll handle x and y tonight”. I end the night feeling grateful, loved and revived. It works. But it also doesn’t hide that there is an inequity right now. Or that we both don’t want that to last forever.

I do believe and stand by that there needs to be equity in how much people are giving and receiving long term. Practically, financially and emotionally. And if one part of that balance is very skewed in one direction, it helps if the balance is skewed in the other direction in other ways. Or if in one or two years the balance is towards one partner, it flips in future years. I actually hope and expect that his big dreams will pay off (they are realistic, not pie in the sky). And I will be able to retire while he continues to work (which he would want to). But for now, we are both aware that things are skewed and we are both on board with trying to make that not feel too bad.

You are right, I had merged your post with the OPs 🤦‍♀️sorry!
And in context I totally get u writing a list. Spelling out to him what your love language is and how he can help you if he wants to. Totally fine and helpful 👍
I would struggle in Ur position carrying the financial weight and grind while he pursues 'his dream'.
Thanks for all that info. Makes perfect sense and you sound lovely and not an entitled empress😂
All the best! 🤜🤛

financialcareerstuff · 15/10/2025 14:49

Thank you @Doubledenim305😊 . It helps that his creative project is basically helping to save lives and empower the disempowered….. infinitely more valuable to the world than what I do…. So my contributions to that being possible give me a sense of purpose and being valuable in the world that I don’t get from my work. It’s inspiring and meaningful….. and that’s definitely part of what I receive…. But a nice bath now and again is good too! 🤩

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