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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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SaratogaFilly · 07/10/2025 10:48

derxa · 07/10/2025 09:44

It’s an absolute disgrace

It really is. Shocking. I hope she gets prosecuted for a hate crime as that’s absolutely what it is.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:48

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 10:47

t. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

And? Hamas was responsible. They are also a proscribed terrorist organisation. Everyone should be saying "fuck Hamas", including anyone that actually cares about Palestinian lives.

Another dictator. You are not the thought police.

Krakinou · 07/10/2025 10:48

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SaratogaFilly · 07/10/2025 10:49

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 10:47

t. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

And? Hamas was responsible. They are also a proscribed terrorist organisation. Everyone should be saying "fuck Hamas", including anyone that actually cares about Palestinian lives.

Very true! Anyone who thinks otherwise really are the epitome of useful idiots.

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 10:49

Laiste · 07/10/2025 10:27

I agree with every word of this.

But in your OP you suggested that the woman's given reasons for cutting the ribbons ('anti-genocide' basically) was just an excuse and we should all see that she must simply be anti-semitic.

Now i don't condone taking the ribbons down at all, but i worry that the speed to label something 'anti-semitic' is becoming a knee jerk reaction and is not always correct.

As you say, there is a distinction between being pro-Israel and memorialising the victims of the Oct 7th attack. But There is also a big distinction between being anti Israel (policy) and anti Semitic.

And because she is cutting down yellow ribbons that commemorate the victims of 7/10, a few days after the terrorist attack on a synagogue here, we can safely conclude that she is an anti-seimte. The ribbons have nothing to to with Israeli policy. Everybody knows that.

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 10:50

She literally says 'Everyone should be saying x'.
Put forth your views but don't dictate what people should think or say.

That's her opinion. I agree with her. Everyone SHOULD be saying. That doesn't mean that she, or I, are in a position to dictate that they actually do.

HectorPlasm · 07/10/2025 10:50

What comes next? Toppling gravestones because the name is 'wrong'. unscrewing the memorial plaques on public benches because they were in the 'wrong' political party? We've already had the statue toppling.

It leaves me cold when I see a memorial for a joyrider who killed 2 or 3 people but I don't destroy it as its not illegal. If it's legal, leave it alone - whatever your persuasion.

Locutus2000 · 07/10/2025 10:50

ExtraOnions · 07/10/2025 10:21

Both sides are now so entrenched there is little room left for reasonable debate and action. You can’t say anything without being accused of either supporting genocide, or being anti-Semitic.

I genuinely see no way that this starts to get resolved ..we seem to have lost the ability to accept that different people, have different views, and we don’t have to spend our days shouting at them in an attempt to change thier mind.

Every conversation is filled with Hypoerbole .. everything is “disgusting” “appalling” “disgraceful” “an attack” etc .. I kinda blame SM for some of it, it’s seems to whip up this sort of language.

Lots of people think that; The Hamas attack was wrong, the destruction of Gaza is wrong, making people in this country feel unsafe is wrong, curtailing free-speech is wrong, shouting in each others faces in wrong.

You can think all of these things, at the same time.

The binary nature of the debate is thoroughly depressing.

This thread is akin to two groups of opposing demonstrators yelling at each other. There is no discussion.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 10:50

Remembering the innocent children, babies and their families with yellow ribbons is the most basic expression of grief and loss, and I would absolutely stop anyone defacing them. And call the police in quick succession.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:52

SaratogaFilly · 07/10/2025 10:48

It really is. Shocking. I hope she gets prosecuted for a hate crime as that’s absolutely what it is.

She should not have removed the ribbons but it's not a hate crime, there is no need for the hyperbole.

Do you think this woman should have been prosecuted too?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wBbj-5aMB7c

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wBbj-5aMB7c

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 10:52

Locutus2000 · 07/10/2025 10:50

The binary nature of the debate is thoroughly depressing.

This thread is akin to two groups of opposing demonstrators yelling at each other. There is no discussion.

There isn’t much to discuss is there, it is basic common decency. The despair is coming from most of us appalled at the racism.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:53

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 10:50

She literally says 'Everyone should be saying x'.
Put forth your views but don't dictate what people should think or say.

That's her opinion. I agree with her. Everyone SHOULD be saying. That doesn't mean that she, or I, are in a position to dictate that they actually do.

You do not get to dictate what everyone should be saying.

State your views calmly, there is no need for thought policing.

YellowDaze · 07/10/2025 10:54

PurpleThistle7 · 07/10/2025 10:26

So you think this woman cutting down the ribbons TODAY is doing it out of some sort of civic pride? And she's now heading to clean up pro-Hamas graffiti and maybe do a litter pick?

Posters continually pretzel themselves in order to defend their outrageous opinions. I'd much rather they say what they really feel, but I guess they can't as anti semitism is hate speech.

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:54

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:47

I disagree with removing the ribbons but your language is designed to exacerbate tensions.

My language is designed to express my deep disgust at the actions of Hamas and of this woman. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you’ve interpreted it differently, well, that’s a you problem.

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Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 10:54

I do see those protests very differently now having walked past one. They are full of hatred and racism. I can’t imagine anyone I know in real life ever attending one and being a part of that. Thank goodness. I am glad some of them were arrested.

Winederlust · 07/10/2025 10:55

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:48

Another dictator. You are not the thought police.

Ffs it's clear that what is meant is that they don't understand why anyone wouldn't agree with the sentiment of 'fuck hamas'. How about engaging with that perhaps explaining why you disagree (if indeed you do disagree)?

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 10:57

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:52

She should not have removed the ribbons but it's not a hate crime, there is no need for the hyperbole.

Do you think this woman should have been prosecuted too?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wBbj-5aMB7c

I think it might be considered a hate crime. Certainly people were arrested for similar racially/religiously aggravated criminal damage of memorials this time last year. Rightly so in my opinion. Not sure what happened regarding convictions though.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:58

Winederlust · 07/10/2025 10:55

Ffs it's clear that what is meant is that they don't understand why anyone wouldn't agree with the sentiment of 'fuck hamas'. How about engaging with that perhaps explaining why you disagree (if indeed you do disagree)?

Of course people can say Fuck Hamas.

But people could just respond with Fuck the IDS (who many also regard as terrorists).

What does it achieve telling people what they should think? You just entrench people even more in their views.

AzurePanda · 07/10/2025 10:59

These people have lost their humanity. They are also severely underestimating the impact their behaviour is having on the majority of the British people.

Cinaferna · 07/10/2025 10:59

JustJani · 07/10/2025 09:47

I live in an area with a huge number of yellow ribbons and posters commemorating the victims and to be honest, it's uncomfortable. It's become more than a memorial, it's now a pro-Israel political statement. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

I do have some sympathy for Israel's position - more than the general public, probably - but I certainly don't support the current decimation of Palestine and I don't like the way the whole locality now seems to have been branded pro-Israeli, it doesn't represent me for sure.

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You're not suggesting that Hamas should be supported, are you?

I agree with OP that it is all too easy to let revulsion at what is happening in Gaza be a gateway to general anti-Semetism. We need to respect any memorial of Jewish people who have been persecuted, starved, gassed, murdered, separated from their children, for thousands of years. That doesn't mean we are anti-peace for Palestine and Gaza.

It worries me when people think it is wrong to object to Hamas.

beAsensible1 · 07/10/2025 11:01

Holiday24 · 07/10/2025 10:30

I agree with all of this - you've put it into words much better than I could!

exactly.

Winederlust · 07/10/2025 11:01

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:58

Of course people can say Fuck Hamas.

But people could just respond with Fuck the IDS (who many also regard as terrorists).

What does it achieve telling people what they should think? You just entrench people even more in their views.

That's not what I asked. It does appear you have some issues with reading comprehension.

Cardomomle · 07/10/2025 11:02

I was absolutely disgusted when I saw the pictures of this. Cutting down yellow ribbons? Why would you even do that, a memorial to innocent hostages?
If she's so supportive of Hamas and/or so filled with hate and can't bear to see the memorial, she has the option to walk past.
Just walk past and ignore it.
So depressing.

BlueandPinkSwan · 07/10/2025 11:03

This anti Jew feeling is not unlike Germany before WWll. A friend of mine is a young Jew, he's worried for his family living in East London.

Sixpence39 · 07/10/2025 11:05

I live in an area with loads of ribbons and posters and it has been relentless these past 2 years - every time they are removed more appear in their place. In another nearby area they stickered and graffitied an entire shop front because the flat above it had a palestine flag. Have a memorial in your houses and places of worship. You cant turn the entire street into a political statement, it's an area shared by people of all backgrounds and no group is more important than another. And it is indeed a political statement - why must we be reminded every single day of an attack that happened 2 years ago, while Israel kills, kidnaps and maims thousands every week?