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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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Zebedee999 · 07/10/2025 10:33

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 09:51

I'm pleased that the real motives of the pro Palestine movement are becoming obvious to everyone

Jewish school kids have been suffering beatings and abuse regularly for years now. Jews have lived in this country peacefully for centuries but it has all changed in the last two decades or so.

People are much more open with their antisemitism nowadays. You see it on every thread on MN practically. The thread to commemorate the 7/10 victims has 15% downvotes - unbelievable. The Labour givernment, especially under Corbyn/Starmer, was/is very antisemitic, the weekly pro - Pali protests encourage anti semitism. Even the Police say they cannot protect Jews adequately becuase their time is taken up with all the pro-Pali demonstrations, these are intended to leave Jews at risk and feeling vulnerable. Many of these same people proudly claim to support proscribed terrorist organisations, again all aimed at making Jews feel unsafe.

All this leads to the murder of Jews we saw last week. Meanwhile they create a smokescreen that the far right and St George flags are the real evil....

SwanEater · 07/10/2025 10:35

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nomas · 07/10/2025 10:37

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 10:29

Nonsense. How? Where does @AngeloMysterioso attempt to control what people think?

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She literally says 'Everyone should be saying x'.

Put forth your views but don't dictate what people should think or say.

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:37

Laiste · 07/10/2025 10:27

I agree with every word of this.

But in your OP you suggested that the woman's given reasons for cutting the ribbons ('anti-genocide' basically) was just an excuse and we should all see that she must simply be anti-semitic.

Now i don't condone taking the ribbons down at all, but i worry that the speed to label something 'anti-semitic' is becoming a knee jerk reaction and is not always correct.

As you say, there is a distinction between being pro-Israel and memorialising the victims of the Oct 7th attack. But There is also a big distinction between being anti Israel (policy) and anti Semitic.

You’re making the same point I am in a way.

The ribbons are a memorial to the victims. The woman is cutting them down because she says they are supporting genocide. Except they’re nothing to do with the “genocide” are they? They’re just a memorial to the victims. But she’s cutting them down anyway. If we agree that they are not in support of genocide what other reason could she have for cutting them down?

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Libellousness · 07/10/2025 10:38

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:18

Let’s not pretend that if Israel truly wanted to completely destroy Palestine and kill every living person there, it would have happened by now. They could have done it within a week.

Genocide is what Hamas would do to Israel if they had the means. Their stated aim is to wipe Israel and all Jewish people from the face of the earth.

Hamas continues to seize aid trucks and keep it for themselves or sell it for profit. Hamas continues to refuse peace deals that Israel has already agreed to. Hamas still has not freed the hostages.

Let’s also not pretend that Israel wouldn’t have killed every living person in Gaza long ago if they thought they could get away with it. The only reason that there are still Palestinians, and they didn’t suffer the same near extinction as the Native Americans and the Aboriginal Australians is that exterminationist settler colonialism was no longer considered acceptable by the mid twentieth century…

StewkeyBlue · 07/10/2025 10:38

AutumnColour89 · 07/10/2025 10:23

I think it's quite a stretch to say OP is dictating what everyone should be saying. I thinks she's pointing out the hypocrisy being used to shut down commemoration of victims.

I too do not understand why Hamas is not being loudly condemned- by Palestinians/Gazans particularly? If someone went out in my name to another country and committed such disgusting, barbaric, inhuman acts, in turn making my home and people and target of war- I'd have something to say about it. I certainly would not be cheering them on.

There were Gazan demonstrations against Hamas...but the problem is that a terrorist state will be as brutal to its own citizens as to an outside agency.

HeyThereDelila · 07/10/2025 10:38

She’s disgusting. Name and shame.

Winederlust · 07/10/2025 10:38

KimberleyClark · 07/10/2025 10:30

Support for a free Palestine is not the same thing as support for Hamas.

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And yet, we barely hear any 'free palestine' supporters condemning Hamas.

The sentiment becomes conspicuous by its absence, especially where the same people are so quick to cast anyone expressing any sympathy whatsoever with the Israeli people as supporting genocide. There are some blatant double standards going on.

Israel could stop its attacks tomorrow, but Palestinians can only be truly free once they rid themselves of Hamas.

Craftysue · 07/10/2025 10:38

It's disgusting to deface any memorial but especially so close to the anniversary of the attacks. Why would anyone do that unless it was to deliberately cause distress? So much bloody hatred.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 07/10/2025 10:39

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:18

Let’s not pretend that if Israel truly wanted to completely destroy Palestine and kill every living person there, it would have happened by now. They could have done it within a week.

Genocide is what Hamas would do to Israel if they had the means. Their stated aim is to wipe Israel and all Jewish people from the face of the earth.

Hamas continues to seize aid trucks and keep it for themselves or sell it for profit. Hamas continues to refuse peace deals that Israel has already agreed to. Hamas still has not freed the hostages.

Wow I was onside with the ribbon cutting but this answer of yours is abhorrent.

No empathy for Palestinians at all.

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:39

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:37

She literally says 'Everyone should be saying x'.

Put forth your views but don't dictate what people should think or say.

Wow, you’re taking my casual use of the word “should” and really flying with it aren’t you?!

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nomas · 07/10/2025 10:40

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So peace loving. Not. You are part of the problem.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 10:41

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:37

She literally says 'Everyone should be saying x'.

Put forth your views but don't dictate what people should think or say.

Don’t be silly. She hasn’t said anyone should be prevented from giving their own opinion, just said what in her opinion they ought to be saying instead. There’s a difference, as I’m sure you know really.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:42

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:39

Wow, you’re taking my casual use of the word “should” and really flying with it aren’t you?!

There's nothing casual about your posts.

You're incendiary and part of the problem.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:43

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 10:41

Don’t be silly. She hasn’t said anyone should be prevented from giving their own opinion, just said what in her opinion they ought to be saying instead. There’s a difference, as I’m sure you know really.

She literally says 'Everyone should be saying x'.

There is no room for disagreement, it's designed to shut people down.

JustJani · 07/10/2025 10:44

Winederlust · 07/10/2025 10:24

But you could say the exact same thing of the flying of Palestinian flags, the pro-palestine protests etc. They are making political statements, implying support for Hamas rather than concern for ordinary Palestinians, and there is a significant minority who cross the line into what can only be construed as antisemitism.

I'm not really sure what the issue is with the sentiment of 'fuck Hamas' tbh?

Yes, and I wouldn't be comfortable if there were Pro-Palestinian flags, ribbons and stickers affixed to road signs, fences and benches or and posters of victims flyposted on either. That would be similarly politicising the area.

Both organised protests and individuals flying flags at their home are very different.

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:45

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:42

There's nothing casual about your posts.

You're incendiary and part of the problem.

I vehemently disagree with someone destroying a memorial to victims of a terrorist attack, and that makes me part of the problem… I see what you’re doing there

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Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 10:45

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 07/10/2025 10:39

Wow I was onside with the ribbon cutting but this answer of yours is abhorrent.

No empathy for Palestinians at all.

What was abhorrent? What was untrue?

It is possible to have sympathy for Palestinian civilians without making a virtue-signalling display of loudly protesting it at every opportunity.

derxa · 07/10/2025 10:45

The woman has been identified. An academic apparently.

miserableandworried · 07/10/2025 10:46

Absolutely disgusting

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 10:47

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:43

She literally says 'Everyone should be saying x'.

There is no room for disagreement, it's designed to shut people down.

Still silly.

PickleJelly · 07/10/2025 10:47

This is such an emotive topic and I agree with previous posters who say you can't voice an opinion without either being accused of anti-Semitism or being pro-genocide.

Personally, I dropped flowers off at the local Synagogue this morning as I strongly believe we should be supporting the Jewish community in any way we can, who must be feeling very vulnerable right now.
But equally, I regularly donate money for aid for Palestinians and feel strongly that the horrible treatment they are currently facing must stop and I think the protests should continue (without the vicious few who use it as an excuse to spread hate).
But I feel as though I can't say either of those things without an horrible accusation, when actually, like most people, I just want peace for all.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:47

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:45

I vehemently disagree with someone destroying a memorial to victims of a terrorist attack, and that makes me part of the problem… I see what you’re doing there

I disagree with removing the ribbons but your language is designed to exacerbate tensions.

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 10:47

t. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

And? Hamas was responsible. They are also a proscribed terrorist organisation. Everyone should be saying "fuck Hamas", including anyone that actually cares about Palestinian lives.

nomas · 07/10/2025 10:48

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 10:47

Still silly.

You're entitled to your opinion.