To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

[AngeloMysterioso]

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

What the actual fuck.

(I won’t report this disgusting post because I think it shows just how bad the antisemitism on this board is)

Ah, I see the disgusting post I was replying to was deleted. Oh well, good riddance.

As I stated, 1st and 2nd Jewish temples were on Temple Mont. I did not state they were in the Old City.

Temple Mont is a pretty large area of 36 acres in size.

The Al Aqsa mosque takes up 1 acre of Temple Mont (aka Haram al-Sharif) and was built on the southern wall of Temple Mont where the Royal Stoa was in Herod’s time:
https://www.ritmeyer.com/2014/10/18/jerusalem-the-temple-mount-a-carta-guide-book/

The mosque was not built on top of where the 1st and 2nd Temples were on Temple Mont.
See for location of David’s Altar
https://www.ritmeyer.com/2014/10/27/the-temple-mount-in-jerusalem-during-the-jebusite-period/

See for location of 2nd Temple- built where 1st Temple was and the location of Herod’s royal stoa (where Al-aqsa mosque is today)
https://www.ritmeyer.com/2014/11/24/the-temple-mount-in-the-herodian-period-37-bc-70-ad/

Following the siege of Jerusalem by Titus and destruction of the second Temple in 70AD, Jerusalem had been razed to the ground, its populace dispersed at sword point and Jews were forbidden from returning.

On the ruins of Jerusalem, a Roman colony by the name of Aelia Capitolina was built. The inhabitants of this Roman colony were soldiers, veterans and the usual settlers that supported the Roman military. Hadrian built a temple to Jupiter on Temple Mont, knowing the Romans likely on top of where the 2nd Temple was. The rest of Temple Mont contained the Roman governor’s palace, an forum and Roman government offices.

Jews were prohibited from entrance to Aelia Capitolina even after Constantine made Christianity the state religion. A Temple to Venus (on a hill west of Temple Mont) was torn down and replaced by the Church of the Holy Sepulchure. (Some earlier sources thought the Roman temple was to Venus)

The prohibition on Jews lasted until the Muslim conquest in 638.

Ok, well I hope the links to the maps I have posted above help you visualise that we don’t need to tear down a mosque taking up 1 acre out of 36 acres of Temple Mont, an acre that is conveniently on the south wall of Temple Mont where no religious Judaic structures were ever built.

My aim in posting the archaeological info is to show that compromise should be possible when it comes to Temple Mont. The Jordanian Waqf has been rigid and obstructionist since 1967 on the topic of archaeological exploration of Temple Mont. That has created an understandable sense of resentment amongst Jewish Israelis who can only (officially) pray at the Western Wall.

Truthfully, the entire compound of Temple Mont (Haram al-Sharif) should not belong to the mosque. A 3rd Temple could be built near the mosque and the Mont shared in peaceful coexistence.

Sadly, I think the mythos of the temples being under the mosque is now too deeply entrenched. I do not see Israeli politicians or the Jordanian Waqf at all in the mood to be other than combative. They act like any concession to the other is weakness, and it has to be a winner take all situation.

Your argument makes no sense - “hurt people hurt people” really suggests an equality of responsibility because all parties are trauma survivors here.

Also I think you’ll fine that Jewish tribes were knocking around the area from about 5000 years ago. Semite may code for Jewish now, but originally it refers to peoples from the Levant, Arabian Peninsula, North Africa etc so it’s not that the Jewish people woke up one day and said ‘Let’s go somewhere random.’ Read the Torah / Old Testament - everybody is pretty peripatetic but they are all wandering about that same area. These are not new disputes.

You're seriously suggesting the third temple should be built on the temple mount?!?!

I mean, wow, you've aligned yourself here with Ben Gvir.

Apart from him and his ilk, israeli politicians have allowed the status quo to continue precisely to avoid conflict. Netanyahu even had to back down on installing metal detectors. And youre suggesting the third temple will be fine as it can be on the temple mount next to Al.Aqsa??
Delusional and totally detached from relaity

It isn’t about denying ANY Jewish link to the land. It’s about acknowledging that they are not the ONLY people with a link to the land. There have been many.

Sadly the post didn’t survive, it is a testament to the appalling job of the British education system to not have included such important facts. You can cover world wars and explain this stuff in ten minutes. Covering north and South Korea too if one felt particularly enthused. Six million Jewish people died, as a bare minimum covering how Israel was born should be included in every child’s syllabus.

Tell that to the poster I was originally talking to who seems to think Jews don't belong in Israel.

And yes, many people have links to the land. The Jewish link is older than most other links to the land, but that doesn't mean other religions don't also have a valid link. For example, there are churches and mosques all over Israel, and there are of course also the Baha'i gardens in Haifa. Israel has at no point denied the rights of other religions to exist in the state of Israel. People of all sorts of religions live there.

No one on here, as far as I have seen, has said non-Jews aren't welcome in Israel. However, there have been posters saying Jews shouldn't be there. Maybe reflect on that a little bit.

Yes, it's well known and there's plentiful evidence that all sorts of people have lived in the area throughout its history, that's not a startling revelation. I'm not quite sure where you've picked up the theory that Jews think or claim they're the only ones with a link to the land?

I have heard this crop up often, and in my view it’s a convenient lie as they build up the narrative that Israel are the evil occupiers a colonising everything everywhere. That said, it is vital that Israel refrain from doing this - because the land does not need to be shared. At some point a two state solution will need to exist (I know that Hamas have largely prevented a peaceful solution)

Anti semite denies Jewish claim to homeland in Israel.

And in other news, the pope is Catholic.

You do have a very odd way of thinking. You know perfectly well that isn’t what I’m saying.
Do you actually deny that Jewish people expelled non-Jewish people from the homes and land where they had lived for generations?

As we're pivoting, do you actually deny that non-Jewish people expelled Jewish people frequently and in great numbers from the homes and lands where they had lived for generations? To which those Jewish people and their descendants have no right of return and in some cases can't even enter?

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Yes, I think 36 acres is plenty of room for at least the 3rd temple ( a Judaic synagogue) and 1 mosque.

Funny you would say I have aligned myself with Ben Gvir, because he is of the opinion that there is only room on Temple Mont for 1 mega-temple and to do that, the Mont must be cleansed of all nonJewish structures.

I agree my vision is unlikely to become a reality because people are stubborn and would rather fight to the death than recognise this place is sacred to any religion other than their own and therefore can be shared.

Also, some acknowledgement, reparations and land back would be nice. No? Why not? How far back do you think we should go in these cases? What level of oppression, dispossession and eradication meets the criteria when it's Jewish people?

Someone's helpfully compiled a list of the expulsions of Jews throughout the ages, both big and small. It's 28 pages long.
https://ia801502.us.archive.org/6/items/900jewishexpulsions/900jewishexpulsions.pdf

To circle back to the thread topic, maybe if it bothers you that Jewish people in one land where they haven't always been made welcome might like to make a small display symbolising hope for Jewish and non-Jewish hostages in another land where they haven't always been made welcome (despite originating from there) you could consider the bigger picture of why some displaced diasporic Jews feel part of a worldwide tribe and show a little more understanding. The ribbon-cutter is obviously taking ownership of both her Jewish and Palestinian heritage and lands so how would you criticise her for that?

It’s interesting that posts like this aren’t deleted now. I guess anti-semitism doesn’t need to hide anymore.

The above post was replying to any earlier post which was anti semitic. The above post was pointing out that the AS post should stand so that it could raise awareness as to how anti semitic some people can be.

It has since been deleted.

The ribbon-cutter is obviously taking ownership of both her Jewish and Palestinian heritage..

I said similar upthread. I would be really uncomfortable with her, a Jewish woman, being charged with an antisemitic hate crime. I don’t think it would be a good precedent to allow any gentile justice system to decide which Jews are ‘bad Jews’.

You didn't say anything similar upthread because we're talking about different things so please don't cherry pick and appropriate my words to make something completely out of context which also makes zero sense.

I don't agree with any part of a force-teaming word salad about allowing any 'gentile justice system' to 'decide' anything regarding the Good Jew/ Bad Jew trope. Are you suggesting Jews should only be subject to some special Jewish justice system for attention-seeking hate crimes?

If a Jew carries out a hate crime-antisemitic or otherwise- they're subject to the legal system of the country they committed it in, same as anyone else.

Ok, I apologise as I misunderstood what you meant about the ribbon cutter being Jewish and asserting her heritage. I was only saying what I said was similar to just that one sentence of yours I quoted.

No, I am not suggesting what you think. I suppose you have completely misunderstood me as it was all a “word salad” and “makes zero sense” to you.

I will try and explain why I am concerned:

A hate crime requires that the perpetrator be of a different and more privileged demographic than the victim and their intention must include hostility or prejudice towards that less privileged demographic. So a White British man can commit a hate crime against an Asian British man. A Christian can commit a hate crime against a Muslim. You can’t have anyone committing a hate crime against their own demographic. That isn’t how hate crime legislation is written or how the courts apply it.

If this Jewish woman is charged with an antisemitic hate crime, it would represent a harsher, different standard being applied to only Jews compared to how everyone else is treated by the justice system.