Murder

[Frankblackwife]

Do you think you could get away with it?

Tbh I genuinely think anyone is capable of murder if the circumstances are right (self defence, protecting children, height of passion, psychic break), but I think the cold calculating pre-meditated variety is harder to pull off, especially these days. There is such a digital and paper trail behind nearly every social interaction now that unless you can gain access to your victim without leaving any physical trace, the police would track you and call you in for interview and account in 99% of situations now. And then there is the fact that even a few epithelial cells (eg a couple of flakes of dandruff) will leave a DNA trace at a scene - I think you’d get caught.

So it’s not the murder itself I think is unlikely, but the getting away with it is increasingly hard. Though I have spent many a night with a bottle of wine trying to work out how I might do it! 🤣

There’s definitely ways and means. A spouse or person close to you you would need to make it look like an accident. But someone from your past or who’s unconnected to you if you are careful you could get away with it.

I would also be scared they would come back to haunt me! 😀

Nope, though I watch too many shows where the detectives always get their man/woman.

Yes, that’s where I’ve got to - needs to look like a genuine accident or there is the ‘strangers on a train’ model [where two people who are completely unconnected commit the other’s murder - Agatha Christie was a genius].

Probably, but I'd always be looking over my shoulder. Plus I don't really have anyone I want to murder.

knowing my luck I would get caught on route to murder the person lol I def not a person who should go into crime

Floral, you say? I now have the plot of Coldwater playing in my head...

I think the only person I'd be driven to murder would be if they had seriously hurt my child / murdered them .
But it would have to be ( to get away with it ) in a dish best served cold as not to be obvious , or you'd have to pay someone to do it for you whilst you are on show somewhere else .

I also add - I think everyone has the potential to be pushed to kill .

50 years ago i think it was definitely easier. The tech we have now and the amount of cctv/ringdoorbells etc means it's much more likely you'll get caught. There's other countries though that I think you'd find it easier to get away with it.

I think to get away with it you need it to look like an accident or something to blur the waters and get manslaughter.

The comments about drink driving, dangerous driving etc are also valid.

If you are male you stand more chance of getting away with it, just say the person you murdered was into 'rough sex'.

Mick Philpott tried to murder an ex girlfriend and her mother. The ex, Kim Hill was stabbed repeatedly resulting in a collapsed lung, a punctured bladder, kidney and liver.

Philpott spent 3 years in prison.

I suppose the other thing is to carefully leave a false trail that someone else did it.

So borrow the patsy's phone to research methods, 'borrow' their phone and take it on a little trip. Borrow their car and drive through a couple of red lights disguised as the patsy.

Carbon monoxide would be a good one, a dodgy water heater can produce that. The problem is you need to inhale a well and if you only have a bit in your blood stream then that will indicate you were not in the house.

I suppose if you could get the person exposed and then 'discover' them.

Eg, say it was your partner, arrange a winter weekend away in an isolated little cottage somewhere. Get them there then get hold of a gas heater, start to use it without opening any windows (you may have to bring this with you or have hidden it some where). Turn off the actual cottage heating so the only heat appears to be the gas heater

Then you need an excuse to leave, maybe you have just started your period and need to get supplies. This is why the cottage has to be isolated.

On the way back you run out of petrol so you have to wait for the AA / RAC so this further delays you.

But the plan isn't fool proof.

Your partner needs to not know you have to open a window with those heaters.
Your partner not noticing the heating is off and turning it back on or contacting the owner of the cottage.

Sometimes I worry about me.

You'd get found out when the plod come sniffing around and find his belt buckle...

There's some brilliant Netflix episodes about people accused of murder, I'm thinking of the spiral staircase in particular. It took me ages after I had watched it all to realise that yes of course he had done it, the guy was so convincing when protesting his innocence.

So yes, as well as making a good plan and having strength of will, you'd have to be absolutely convincing when denying it, as well as having a cast iron alibi (but not too good because that's suspicious too).

I used to fantasise about having my neighbour from hell murdered. Even now, having moved away years ago, I occasionally scan the local newspaper, hoping to read of his demise.

You could just leave the pig to it and not watch…?

I don't think pushing someone down the stairs is a good way to do it, there's too much of a risk they might not die and they could tell the police.

I have watched enough documentaries and listened to enough murder podcasts that I should be an expert on how not to get caught, but in reality I'm too chaotic and not methodical enough. I also moult like a labrador.

Ooh @sashh some of those ideas are positively genius evil… might have to borrow some in my next creative writing project…

I've always thought if I had to commit murder it would be in the states because it's so vast and there's so many places in the middle of nowhere where you would never get caught on cctv. Just googled and they have about a 50 percent chance of solving a homicide!

😀

I have more.

There is quite a famous case where someone in the USA almost got away with it.

He murdered his wife, froze her solid and then took her out in to the woods near a river with chipper and chippered her body in to the river.

He was caught because his wife had a letter in her pocket that didn't completely disintegrate and because he hired the chipper in his own name with a credit card.

Don’t think so; it tends to be messier than one expects, at some point!

A spur of the moment murder? I very much doubt it.
One I'd planned? A pretty reasonable chance I reckon.

Fortunately, no plans to do any such thing!

Not now with ring cameras and cctv everywhere. Plus the amount of hair I lose everyday id be leaving dna behind like anything

Fucking hell. 😳 *gulp

My kids training to be a CSI so maybe with some help 😂

I vaguely remember Richard Osman saying on TRIE that once you’d managed to avoid being caught by CCTV, phone records etc, he thought the best thing to do was to sow seeds of doubt in court when you were being tried by having left things at the scene that meant enough plausible doubt for you not to be convicted — I think he suggested a glove that was far too small for you that you could be asked to try on in court.

But leaving someone else’s DNA at the scene (as is done in his We Solve Murders book) would be better.

His logic is not to try to avoid suspicion, but to sow enough doubt so that a jury can’t convict you.