To finally agree with a junior doctors strike

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Junior doctors have decided to strike as they are being overlooked for jobs / training posts which are instead given to international applicants. I’ve always abhorred their money grabbing strikes in the past, but support this one 100%. UK doctors should be recruited where possible, and international graduates only turned to where we cannot find a suitable recruit in the UK.

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice this might help you

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/international-doctors/studying-and-training-in-the-uk/ukrdc-specialty-training-policy-faqs

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice read more carefully. No one said they get priority over UKGs. They get the same priority.

Ok, well perhaps link them? The only thing you linked directly contradicted you.
You said foreign doctors got priority over UK doctors for jobs, but what you linked clearly stated “equal opportunity” which means officially neither has priority.

I’ve suggested they do just that since we’re going for a Groundhog Day here. And I’ve just a second ago suggested you produce evidence of the ‘bile’ (you won’t be able to - I’m calling your bluff).

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/pulse-careers/doctor-leaders-vote-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-posts/

Actually, I think the same should apply for all graduates as it did before Boris Johnson. It used to be firms could only hire non-EU candidates when there were no suitable UK applicants.

Now, everyone from around the world can apply and there is an unemployment crisis among UK graduates. No shit sherlock.

It is worse among medical students as there is a sole employer but the same does apply to other jobs.

https://thedoctor.bma.org.uk/articles/health-society/arm-debates-prioritisation-on-specialty-training-programmes/

Where did I say this ?

Repost. No such posts exist.

Ah yes, my mistake I confused you with another poster on that point.

https://www.oncall.news/p/should-uk-medical-graduates-be-prioritised-over-imgs

Sorry, you didn’t, my mistake. You said UK doctors don’t have priority, which is true,

The worrying thing is that if the junior posts are all filled by older foreign IMGs then they will age out and retire or return back to their home country there will be a gap of senior resident doctors/consultants

Because doctors only have one employer and government have invested 250k in their training

Hopefully now can see that IMGs get equal
opportunities for jobs to UKGs. That law firm needs to go back to school if it's claiming otherwise !

I thought the private sector was also hiring doctors? Especially for GPs.

(GPs are all privatised)

This.

No, they are saying the ISC applies. You did say the charge no longer applies, but it does.

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice no. Said nothing about any charge. I said they had equal priority to get any job as a doctor.

Its almost like we know what we are talking about. Spent the past 12 months lobbying hard.

Doctors can not work privately until consultants. So 6-10 years post qualifying.

From the BMJ last month - don’t know a single doctor that doesn’t think this is a problem (and I know a lot of them)

“Staggering” competition for some NHS specialty training posts has laid bare a “crisis facing medical training” that is leaving many resident doctors “in limbo,” leaders have warned.
Doctors said that newly released NHS statistics on 2025 competition rates—which show that demand for some specialties has almost quadrupled—were “indicative of a broken application system.”
The data show that a total of 91 999 applications were made in England for the 12 833 specialty training posts available at all training levels,1 giving an overall competition ratio of 7. This means that there were seven applications overall for every specialty training post in 2025, a rise from 4.7 last year2 and over three times the level in 2019 (1.9).
However, some specialties have faced competition of a far greater magnitude. For example, psychiatry saw 22 applications for every post (10 677 applications for 489 posts), up from 10 applications per post last year.

Ok, then I misunderstood your post directed @ me that said
nope. They've not applied for years. Everyone who applies, from anywhere in the world, gets same priority. Silly isn't it ?

I thought the first sentence referred back to my question saying the ISC would still apply…

”This just shows applicants, not job offers or success rates ?
Where is the evidence that UK applicants are not given priority?
Wouldn’t the immigration skills charge apply?
https://www.davidsonmorris.com/immigration-skills-charge/”

And then you said DavidsonMorris should lose his job, I thought you knew that link was about the ISC not priority in hiring decisions…

total failure to communicate here 😅