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To finally agree with a junior doctors strike

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Horsehow · 06/10/2025 18:20

Junior doctors have decided to strike as they are being overlooked for jobs / training posts which are instead given to international applicants. I’ve always abhorred their money grabbing strikes in the past, but support this one 100%. UK doctors should be recruited where possible, and international graduates only turned to where we cannot find a suitable recruit in the UK.

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EasternStandard · 24/10/2025 21:26

Sevillian · 24/10/2025 20:51

EasternStandard you've in effect said that you haven't read the full thread. Perhaps you should before appointing yourself as some kind of monitor. You'd also have to read the four or five preceding threads where I've been the subject of endless goady posts and silly photographs of grey rocks, coupled with the juvenile crying-with-laughter-emojii. That's what the definition of not nice is. Really very not nice.

And since then mnhq have asked that it stop.

Sevillian · 24/10/2025 21:28

EasternStandard · 24/10/2025 21:26

And since then mnhq have asked that it stop.

And it hasn't. So I respond. Address yourself to the other lot.

PurpleFairyLights · 24/10/2025 21:37

Sevillian · 24/10/2025 21:23

A veiled reference to what? You'd need to find any post you're making claims about.

I don't have to do anything you say. If you are interested maybe you will remember my post or have a quick look through the thread.

Sevillian · 26/10/2025 19:28

Although most people will have seen this. But in case any haven't.

Baloneyhahaboohoo · 30/11/2025 09:53

They spend their time in A and E and not on patients who have been triaged as an emergency I’ve seen it too many times they stand around a station tapping their mobile phones and yapping about what they are doing on their next time off totally ignoring the phone’s ringing in the department and despite being repeatedly asked when are you going to see my now deceased husband they did nothing or for the other people who been brought into this department - it’s a bloody joke shame on them - if yapping is more important then they should go and work elsewhere

PeonyPatch · 30/11/2025 12:57

Maybe they should be focusing on this rather than lifting the two child benefit cap

Sevillian · 30/11/2025 14:24

Arguably. And maybe the doctors should stop striking and losing yet more of the budget for the NHS. Wes is bargaining as a pro; the BMA reps are bargaining like children.

Baloneyhahaboohoo · 30/11/2025 16:53

Baloneyhahaboohoo · 30/11/2025 09:53

They spend their time in A and E and not on patients who have been triaged as an emergency I’ve seen it too many times they stand around a station tapping their mobile phones and yapping about what they are doing on their next time off totally ignoring the phone’s ringing in the department and despite being repeatedly asked when are you going to see my now deceased husband they did nothing or for the other people who been brought into this department - it’s a bloody joke shame on them - if yapping is more important then they should go and work elsewhere

Already sent a message regarding this nobody has responded - THE NHS is a bloody disaster my 94 year mum who is totally blind had to wait on a trolley for 3 days before anyone could be bothered to see her if I’d know this was going to happen I’d have paid for her to be seen by a “doctor “ privately - the same ones who work for the NHS I know this goes on after having to do this for my deceased husband it’s disgusting and they belly ache about wanting more money when they are being paid by the NHS and the private clinics they run where they’re making a profit and then have the cheek to tell you to go back to the NHS and you’ll see the same doctor / consultant at your next appointment it’s a conspiracy I’ll fleece you of money then see you when I can be bothered to work on the NHS or I’m taking a holiday in the Bahamas !!!

HostessTrolley · 01/12/2025 18:01

My daughter is just starting her second rotation of her F1 year. Her comment to me - 'I don't want to strike, I really don't, and if it was just about the money then I wouldn't be. But equally the jobs situation at the end of F2 is ridiculous, I know some good people that are now out of work and there's no reason to think I won't be in the same position, so I don't really feel there's a choice'.

Sevillian · 01/12/2025 19:36

Completely fair HostessTrolley. I think that's where my DC are too. But the BMA insistence on pay is annoying them; the key negotiation should be around conditions/ student loans etc and the BMA are chucking that away.

HostessTrolley · 02/12/2025 03:38

The rubbish thing is that the media are spinning the impression that it's solely about money, that resident doctors are privileged spoiled kids holding the nhs to ransom :(

And let's not forget the gold-plated pension...

Horsehow · 02/12/2025 05:14

HostessTrolley · 02/12/2025 03:38

The rubbish thing is that the media are spinning the impression that it's solely about money, that resident doctors are privileged spoiled kids holding the nhs to ransom :(

And let's not forget the gold-plated pension...

This is exactly what the BMA were going to do all along because they are clueless. I’ve no sympathy for them. This SHOULD be about training places. That and nothing else. It would get 100% public support. But the greedy little moaners think that they’re underpaid - which looking at their career average pay is laughable - they’ll have no sympathy and the jobs issue will roll on unresolved. How to these union heads get voted in when they’re so unbelievably stupid?

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Sevillian · 02/12/2025 09:00

Strongly agree. It's astonishing. It's probably quite a limited pool of self promoters who go for these posts though. Even so, you'd have thought they could manage basic level bargaining after their much vaunted long training process.

ChampagneJen · 03/12/2025 07:01

HostessTrolley · 02/12/2025 03:38

The rubbish thing is that the media are spinning the impression that it's solely about money, that resident doctors are privileged spoiled kids holding the nhs to ransom :(

And let's not forget the gold-plated pension...

But isn’t it about pay now essentially? The government have agreed to other actions including looking into prioritising UK trained doctors. The main sticking point from BMA is pay.

Please tell me if I am wrong and being led astray by the media!

HostessTrolley · 03/12/2025 09:22

ChampagneJen · 03/12/2025 07:01

But isn’t it about pay now essentially? The government have agreed to other actions including looking into prioritising UK trained doctors. The main sticking point from BMA is pay.

Please tell me if I am wrong and being led astray by the media!

The government have agreed to nothing of substance - they tell the media they're looking into things but in reality have done nothing. They still haven't kept the promises they made the last time.

The BMA top priority is not necessarily the top priority of the actual doctors that are mostly on the wards for 14 hours today, seeing patients, reviewing meds, writing discharge letters and all the other stuff that is 'contributing nothing because they're just trainees'. The press will manipulate public opinion to suit the government agenda rather than giving a balanced view.

mumsneedwine · 03/12/2025 11:38

And meanwhile, they employ anyone but a doctor and pay them more.

Marchesman · 06/12/2025 18:30

ChampagneJen · 03/12/2025 07:01

But isn’t it about pay now essentially? The government have agreed to other actions including looking into prioritising UK trained doctors. The main sticking point from BMA is pay.

Please tell me if I am wrong and being led astray by the media!

It never was about pay. Before the 2025 pay rise, F1s were paid on average £43,275 p.a., and F2s £52,310. Medicine and dentistry are unequalled among university subjects for salary and employment prospects after graduation.

Nor is it in reality about training posts or foreign competition, although it has certainly been sold in that way. The intake of foreign doctors and the mismatch between graduate numbers and training posts, as opposed to non-training posts, (the BMA refers to training posts but more than half of F2s choose not to apply for this specific type of post) are responses to a historic problem with retention.

We will soon have 15,000 UK doctors graduating each year but only 2-3000 consultant or GP jobs for them at the end of their training. You may think there should have been a better way of setting about this problem than adding fuel to the fire, but Mumsnet threads on entry to medicine show how popular it has been. When you have teachers telling you that "it doesn't matter which medical school you go to or what sort of 'teaching' you will get there, a doctor is a doctor the GMC makes sure of that," and medical schools are more than willing to prioritise DEI over academic ability and lay on courses that don't include pesky scientific stuff, medicine is seductive - up to a point.

Doubling medical school places without a commensurate increase in GP and consultant numbers obviously has a worsening effect on retention, and it cannot be fixed simply by creating more training posts. Given that the focus of the BMA is on unreal and pointless issues it looks very much as though the leadership are just whipping up bad feeling to advance their medico-political careers.

mumsneedwine · 06/12/2025 18:41

12,000 speciality posts. 10,000 UK graduates. Should be simple.

mumsneedwine · 06/12/2025 19:06

This.

To finally agree with a junior doctors strike
Sevillian · 06/12/2025 19:50

Given that the focus of the BMA is on unreal and pointless issues it looks very much as though the leadership are just whipping up bad feeling to advance their medico-political careers

100%. That is exactly what I meant by a limited pool of self promoters.

Ignoring the posts re. should be readily understood by simpletons. Trying to avoid a headache - busy few days.

Marchesman · 06/12/2025 21:51

"Ignoring the posts re. should be readily understood by simpletons. Trying to avoid a headache"

Agreed.

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