To be absolutely fuming about the digital ID thing?

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I work as a nurse in England.

I just feel absolutely fuming about the digital ID proposals and don't know how to channel my anger??

I very strongly object to this. It makes my blood boil when I think about it and I feel anxious knowing that something like this may be imposed on us all.

It is not going to stop illegal immigration. That line is absolute BS. They're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

What do we do? I don't want to not work, but I am going to refuse to have one. So my employer may sack me?!

It's just ridiculous!

Obviously I've signed the petition, emailed my MP, will join any protests etc.

But practically speaking - will my employer actually sack me for not having one?

If you wan to know what others refusing it will do, then AIBU might not be the place to ask.

I just listed my british bf rant about this for 30min. Then finally he asked if I was upset about it and I said that Im from an EU country and we have it already. I don't personally have a paper nor digital ID, cause it is not mandatory. Haven't felt the need. However, even without the actual card everything os behind my social security number. It makes things so easy. I change my address there and it will go to all official places, there is my voting registration, my surgery registration, all NHS vouchers I get to use private, tax papers etc.

I really dont undertsnd how it is less safe that having tons if different databases, letting eevry single place know that you moved, sending your health info in the mail, walking around with water bill like it somehow proves something. Back in EU days when I moved to uk, I didnt even have to let anyone know. My partner stil receives previous tenants very private looking official mail and threats from bailiffs. If you had to sign your new address maybe his privaye info wasn't in our hands.

If you refuse one then you do and suffer the consequences. We don't know about them yet. Im sure there will be tons of lawsuits that will determine the consequences.

All a bit dramatic.

If they were hugely negatively impactful we'd hear of unrest about them in Europe but nobody over there seems bothered.

If most of Europe have them, why not us?

A national ID has been used in so many countries for decades and is now digital. I don't see any problem at all with this, yet another document you don't have to carry around with you, like bank cards etc.

Really what is the issue? Surely it just makes everyday life a bit easier, a screenshot if you have no signal. For those who find it difficult, they can still carry other forms of ID if they don't have a smart phone.

Someone in another thread said there has been tons of issues and controversies. I'm unclear what they were but allegedly constant issues. I live in one of those countries that allegedly was in a midst of controversy but our mainstream media seems to be unaware..

Exactly! It's worked fine in many European countries and is the norm. Thay can cross borders without the need of a passport.

In terms of what they know about you? The extreme future party will already have all of that info that they have now.

In terms of what they will do? As in ask you to carry it all the time? 87% of people in the UK have a passport - an extreme government could insist on taking your passport with you or your drivers licence (75% of UK)

Then they would just come up with some sort of ID option and for those without the other photo ID.

Having a National ID card doesn’t give the government any significant power it doesn’t already have. And it doesn’t give it any tracking info on you that it doesn’t already have.

Biggest argument against is the cost.

I wouldn't mind it if it was a new option, it would be great for the UK to finally join much of the world in having universally accepted ID not connected to a passport or driving license. I'm not happy with the mealy mouth 'it's not required but we'll make it basically required to function in society' or how this has developed largely to benefit 'private partners'.

Starmer has said there will be a consultation on it seen, and I will be making that clear, as I hope do many others.

And being a country with no ID surrounded by countries with ID drives immigrants to the UK. It’s one of the factors that’s quoted as attractive about our country by economic migrants.

The UK has required ID for migrants, for non-EU ones they've been legally required for over a decade, which moved to Digital ID last December.

Part of the reason I'm not happy about it is because I am a migrant. I immigrated back when our Indefinite Leave to Remain visas were put in our foreign passports. Soon after ID cards failed to get popularity last time - our visas were someone no longer strong enough to prove our rights to work and access service though we could still use them to travel in and out of the country and they brought in required Biometric Residence Permit for non-EU migrants to crack down on illegal working and service using.

People had to prove sometimes decades of residency to meet the requirements and get appropriate references and we , women who had been home carers were badly impacted with the limits on what paperwork could prove that. I lost my ability to be legally employed and access services for a few years because it - I had more than a few tears over desperately finding the right paperwork to show 15 years of residency and the right references to get through. Oh and I paid £300 for the privilege of getting the rights I'd already earned back, including additional fees specifically dedicated to the "private partners" that were handling photographed paperwork.

Everyone of those permits had the same expiry date - didn't matter when you applied, and that date was when everyone who was still on those permits was transferred to Digital ID. There were a lot of ads around where I am for it when it came - there have been so many issues there that have been drowned out in the news by Starmer pushing Digital ID for everyone.

All of this has happened, this and hundreds of changes to immigration laws since 2000, and it's lead to where we are now. It's almost like when then-Chancellor Osbourne said the Immigration and Visa services were 'for profit', he didn't mean for the country, he meant for him and his mates with little regard for the rest of the country.

So yeah, call me part of the tinfoil hat brigade, but as part of the population was already was part of the ID experiment the first time around, I think people have every reason to be wary of this. It clearly isn't going to do anything about illegal migration or illegal working - if it did, then it already being required for migrants would have put more of a dent.

Yeah, I mostly agree with this. But there could be some opportunity for misuse. Farage might ban people from Nando's if they don't fly a Union Jack or something.

I agree it won't stop illegal immigration. However. I don't really understand why anyone would be against it. We're always having to prove our identity. For anyone who doesn't have a passport, driving license and utility bills this is increasingly difficult. I struggled with this a few years ago when I needed a DBS check done.

There must be lots of young people living with their parents who struggle with this.

We now need ID to vote and I worry about people being disenfranchised.

Unlike us, who will now have to have photographs and finger prints taken if we want to enter other European countries. Another Brexit Bonus.

The whole point is that it WILL flag up anyone who basically isn't just a law abiding citizen!

If you don't have one then it needs to be explained and so an investigation will start, rather than the hoops to jump through with the same paper identity being used by multiple people.

Sorry, and as an advocate for equality and supporter of legal immigration which our economy couldn't do without, this is true.

Believe me, the underhand fake and misuse of ID which is related to serious criminal activity does happen, maybe not in your world. Xxx

I don’t know what all the fuss is about. People have passports, driving licenses etc, you are already data tracked everywhere!
So what if you have an extra thing. It’s literally just an ID number. You have an NI number, no-one has a big meltdown over that.

I think it’s data and AI capability, but beyond that it’s the huge cost.

But also what’s the point?

To be fair, even pre-brexit you needed a passport to cross birders cause UK wasn't part of schengen. Biometrics is obviosuly new.

We don’t know the cost will be huge. There’s no reason it should be if someone who knows what they’re doing procures the contract.

Farage is against it though, I think?
Although it would be handy to be against it and then use it inappropriately once he is in power.

It's Euan Blair's company, isn't it?🤭

Oh come on Pandora you know that’s been debunked.

It’s not these people, even they can see the issues.

Palantir Technologies said it would not be participating in the roll-out and warned it was a “programme that needs to be decided at the ballot box”, according to reports from The Times.

Lots of people thought the possibility of lockdown was drivel.

until it wasn’t.

Passports and driving licences aren’t mandatory. I know many people who don’t have one or both.

Another person here who doesn’t get what people have got an issue with. The majority of the rest of Europe has this in place already.

It reminds me of the Covid outrage all over again when the most mundane people you’ve ever met in your life were convinced the government wanted to track them despite the fact that all they do is work at B&M and occasionally visit the local chip shop.

Did they? I recall thinking it was inevitable once the situation in Italy became clear, and so it proved.

And why is this the solution to that? If they need one they can get those.

Palantir Technologies doesn’t run the country and will just have to suck it up if it wants government business. The fucking cheek of a private company thinking it has any say in government policy.