To be absolutely fuming about the digital ID thing?

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I work as a nurse in England.

I just feel absolutely fuming about the digital ID proposals and don't know how to channel my anger??

I very strongly object to this. It makes my blood boil when I think about it and I feel anxious knowing that something like this may be imposed on us all.

It is not going to stop illegal immigration. That line is absolute BS. They're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

What do we do? I don't want to not work, but I am going to refuse to have one. So my employer may sack me?!

It's just ridiculous!

Obviously I've signed the petition, emailed my MP, will join any protests etc.

But practically speaking - will my employer actually sack me for not having one?

I don't think many people are that bothered or paranoid. England is very behind the rest of the world in this just like the emergency alerts and where finally catching up. I don't understand people who have to argue every little thing and think everything is a conspiracy theory and the government is out to get them. Just focus on your life and your families life. Not everything needs to be a big drama.

You only live off grid to those who you want to think you live off grid. You have a user on mumsnet, you have internet, you clearly have had a DBS check.. you’re not off grid in the eyes of the gov. Digital ID is nothing you haven’t already done information wise online 🤣 grow up.

I do get why some people object to digital ID, but it is a bit irrelevant nowadays as all your data is available anyway.

Not interested in people's opinions, again this thread is about asking practically what other people are intending to do that DO NOT WANT IT.

Please stick to the reason for the thread and go away onto another thread that wants a debate about it if you want to argue your point.

Wanting useful info only that aligns with my own way of thinking.

Your thread is going to fill up with this. Starmer will be happy there are many takers on mn but really he’s not going that well.

I have concerns about how the data would be handled and stored. But passport and driving licence information is securely stored so of course it can be done.

My mum is so angry about this, stating that it will be used to stop people driving and my grandchildren won't thank me for not protesting against it (my dc are currently under 10!). She gets her news analysis from youtube though and can't seem to think about anything critically.

Calm down, it's not up to you to tell people who can and cant post. Are you this argumentative at work.

Where have you seen this? As far as I’m aware it isn’t even a green paper yet (let alone actual law) and the public consultation isn’t happening until the end of the year, so this is all speculation.

Just because you don’t agree with her doesn’t mean she can’t think critically.

We need to be able to listen to those we disagree with instead of just deeming them thick, silly or another insult.

There isn’t any useful info yet because it is early proposals which probably won’t ever happen. Practically, the only thing you can do at the moment is to wait for the public consultation and respond to it when it opens.

What will other people do? Well I guess if they don't want an ID card they'll need to live on savings for the rest of their lives. So best get planning.

You posted in AIBU, what did you expect?

Is it just a thread about making a fuss for no reason at all and then lashing out on others? You're being ridiculous.

I'm looking forward to losing 2 hours pay (probably) to prove I have the right to work.

No, sorry I didn't mean the OP at all but was referring to my mum. I'm still annoyed that I am 40 and my mum was properly shouting at me because I didnt agree with her! She doesn't believe that youtube can show information that is not true and it is unfortunately starting to become a problem where we think she is falling down a bit of a conspiracy rabbit hole.

Unfortunately you'll have to have one. I hate the idea, too.

Ignore the idiots who say it's a good idea. The fact that other countries in Europe have digital ID and still have major problems with mass immigration obviously goes to show that it does nothing to curtail any immigration, legal or otherwise.

It’s not the ID I fear, it’s the linking of the ID to the internet (online safety bill) a cashless society (debanking) and the concerns of all this information should a tyrannical government end up in charge.

My other fear is a single point of failure for my data which hackers could steal my entire (not part) but my entire identity from a corrupt 3rd party like Fujitsu (post office scandal - still getting contracts). This won’t be created, stored or managed by govt employees.

What can I do? Nothing. The petition got a response stating they’re doing it and I’m doubtful the consultation will do anything if the decision has been made already.

It’s not conspiratorial to be concerned. It’s not just an ID card, it’s your entire digital footprint on one file.

Quite.

It won’t do anything for migration. So it’d be far better if Starmer just stated why they’re running with this considering it wasn’t a manifesto pledge.

I won’t be complying. It’s open to abuse, see China. No thanks.

I used to live in a couple of countries with I’d cards and where things link up pretty well - it’s incredibly convenient and efficient.

But the chances of things joining up together in the UK is laughable. The NHS can’t even get a centralised database put together. The UK is never going to join up services because it costs too much and they will balls it up if they try.

Private companies are not much better. I remember opening an hsbc international bank account in the UK thinking it would facilitate opening an account in the other country. I was so wrong. Their systems couldn’t link up. They were trying to hide it but they were copying and pasting my details from one window to another. The bigger the company/bank/organisation the less flexible and nimble the systems.

I have a SEN child. I have to fill in forms to apply for so many different services. The information is the same every time, but the admin never stops. My child would really benefit from a joined up service where all the information is in one place but that’s never going to happen here.

Semi off grid? 😂😂😂
The point of the thread isn’t to get into a discussing about it? 😂😂😂

Yep

I'm deeply opposed to digital ID, for reasons I have given in many other threads, especially since 2020; I won't bother to repeat them here, but my main concern is a tyrannical government Reform ending up in charge. However, I don't think it's a Labour or Starmer thing, or a left v right thing: it's been "a general government thing" in the pipeline for a long time, and Starmer's the latest one to try to float the idea, as he's still at a stage in the electoral cycle where he can do the unpopular stuff, selling it as a measure to "stop the boats". All they need to do is pounce with it at a time when they think the public will accept it, like they did with lockdown. Tony Blair tried to float it, and it was quietly shelved (and certainly not forgotten) when the public objected. Sunak could have floated it, instead of the Rwanda scheme, which was sold to "stop the boats".

Johnson famously said "if anyone asks me for my ID card, I will eat it in front of them". However, I think he would not have hesitated to impose digital ID if it would make him look good, and was sold as the measure to end lockdowns (as the test and trace app was) or small boats. Similarly, Farage is speaking against digital ID now, but I'm certain that he would use it to his advantage if he got in, and Starmer would have taken all the initial outrage, leaving him in the clear. I'm certain that I heard "Britcard" as the sort of thing Farage would impose, before "digital ID" hit the headlines.

This is what concerns me, too. I've had my bank card cloned, and the inconvenience of having no access to money for 3 days isn't something I'd like to repeat (my only current account at the time). Imagine if your ID card was cloned, and every single thing you need to run your life had to be shut down and replaced.

I guess they’ll become law breakers the same way you’d be if you decided you didn’t agree with council tax, speeding limits, theft… if they pass the law you’ll have little choice

Thank you. This is exactly how I feel.