To be absolutely fuming about the digital ID thing?

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I work as a nurse in England.

I just feel absolutely fuming about the digital ID proposals and don't know how to channel my anger??

I very strongly object to this. It makes my blood boil when I think about it and I feel anxious knowing that something like this may be imposed on us all.

It is not going to stop illegal immigration. That line is absolute BS. They're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

What do we do? I don't want to not work, but I am going to refuse to have one. So my employer may sack me?!

It's just ridiculous!

Obviously I've signed the petition, emailed my MP, will join any protests etc.

But practically speaking - will my employer actually sack me for not having one?

Can’t see what the fuss is about, we have drivers licences and passports already, and hopefully in time we’ll be able to use the system for travel rather than a passport

I’m not sure what you mean here. How can someone be checked if they are cash and not on the books anyway? What happens that can’t now?

Plus Germany has the biggest unauthorised migrant numbers and ID.

“Yes children, we posted on Mumsnet and everything.”
Oh yes; nice try at mocking me. And we did many other things too. We wrote to our MPs. We took part in the anti-lockdown marches (the ones that the BBC pretended didn't happen). We formed groups of like-minded people. We spread the word. We refused to comply. We showed it all up for the nonsense that it was. And some of us lost friends and family alliances as a result. And we use cash.

Tin foil hat brigade who haven’t actually thought through the tracking data on their ID that is already freely available…
In theory, it's available, we know that; and we probably knew this before more trusting people did. But it isn't easily available. Yet. It costs time, money, paperwork and the proper channels for the government to access it. As I said earlier, it took the multimillion pound enquiry for Boris's Whatsapps to be extracted by force. The data the government has on us isn't yet linked to our money, our bank accounts etc. But digital ID, cashless society, or anything that makes it more centralised would be a step in this direction. What we are objecting to is making it easier for the government; and not this government necessarily, but a future more corrupt one.

I am genuinely envious that of all the issues facing the UK at the moment the one that gets your attention is ID cards.
It's not an "issue" facing the UK at the moment. The reason we are talking about it is because the government is testing the public reaction, and if we say nothing, the government may well take our silence as tacit approval. So this is why we are speaking up loudly. Yes, the news will move on to other things, but the government won't, and we will still be vigilant. Some of us consider it our civic duty to do this.

Lockdown seemed inevitable when Italy did it.
When the rubicon of lockdown was crossed, we "tinfoil hatters" tried to warn about the following, and were told it was "drivel", or "would never happen":
Multiple lockdowns over a prolonged period, brought by the boiling frog. "It will be all over by Christmas", the smiling Boris Johnson assured us, or "in twelve weeks, we can send the virus packing".
Vaccines being the only way out of lockdown.
Vaccines being made compulsory to do everyday things. (This happened in other countries, and we came extremely close to it, even though the government said it would never happen. The infra-structure was there. All it needed was the nod from Number 10.)

And I bet that of those who were banging the drum the loudest for lockdown early in 2020, not many people anticipated the following:
The government's chief communication strategy being "deliberately frightening the pants off the public".
Parliamentary scrutiny being completely bypassed.
People shaming their neighbours on social media for not clapping in the street, or for going out for more than an hour a day (which was never a rule).
The police persecuting coffee drinkers.
The government considering killing everybody's cats. (Yes, it was considered.)
Benches being taped up.
Mask mandates coming moments after the Health Secretary had declared them "worse than useless".
Self-employed people having their businesses and incomes wiped out overnight by the "party of business", because they started at the wrong time. Billionaire Sunak shrugged "we can't help everybody".
People dying alone and forbidden to have their own family present, while Boris partied.
The Queen sitting alone at her husband's funeral, just after Boris partied.
People given four-figure fines for snowball fights, while the wealthy Boris moaned "I've paid the £50 fine, pleeeeeeeeeeeease can we move on?"
Government officials from the Prime Minister downwards being involved in scandal after scandal after scandal, and not going to prison for it.
Even after the truth about parties was dragged out of Boris Johnson, who still believes he is blameless, people still (even now) being pursued by the courts for Covid fines.

How is all this relevant to digital ID, you might ask? Can we please "move on", as Boris pleaded? NO!!!!!! Because 2020 and 2021 showed how any government can be involved in monumental amounts of sleaze, corruption, cronyism, and gaslighting under our very noses, and people just accept it with "oh well". Is this who we want in charge of digital ID? And while Starmer might not be in the same league of corruption as Johnson, who knows about another government further down the line?

And don't bother with the replies of "you OK, hun?" Yes, I am very much OK. I know exactly what I am saying. I stand by every word.

What do you mean cash but not on the books?

Some of my work is cash but I declare all this, as I should, to Hmrc. If someone were to come upto me with my digital id they could see who I was and confirm that.

I think the pp that mentioned the tax avoidance, particularly in the trades is a huge problem in this country. Ring up a builder- ask for a quote; you’ll get two prices, one in cash, and one legitimate one.

This is a massive problem in this country and it’s not coming from immigrants.

Sorry I haven’t read through all the responses and I know the OP said that she doesn’t want responses saying’what’s all the fuss about’. But seriously what is all the fuss about?
We have to prove our identity all the time. Passports, driving licences, utility bills etc. This is just a simplified way to prove our identity, Also, it will help with the immigration issues as one of the draws to UK is that we don’t have an ID card scheme.
Good grief, all this libertarian nonsense is nonsensical.

Yes so how does the new form of ID change that for the cash one who doesn’t declare?

To use your example of a trade. Someone books the cash one and pays that way, how is there any enforcement occurring?

Me too.
I hate the idea of it.
It's the start of control and once it's in the system it won't go away.
We need to figure out how to fight it.

I won't be signing up, and am keen to plan for the negative implications.

The same for the child's well-being act where they want to assign children a serial number Linkin health and education etc

Nope nope nope.

@squaredreams
Yep, nope nope nope! I like that.

I'm wanting to start preparing for negative implications as well if I say no. I'm happy in my job and have no intention of moving / changing. But if it comes to it I may consider early retirement. Very early

Because it surely provides a streamlined way of those enforcing to see whether an employee is registered correctly with hmrc and submitting their numbers as opposed to the current system of id which I can imagine might be more convoluted as I said.

As to what you do about builders and their cash offers- idk. Maybe this idea isn’t meant to tackle that. Doesn’t mean it’s not a huge problem for this county, its taxes and it’s black economy

Most people use digital ID verification for all sorts of things already - opening a bank account, applying for a passport etc. But not everyone is covered.

So if you try and get a passport without a digital ID, for example, it takes 3 weeks longer. With digital ID probate take 5 weeks, without it can take 12 weeks.

So at the moment they have to run 2 processes, one for digital, one for non digital verification. They can save a lot of money and people can get a better service if everyone has the same digital identity. It's all part of the changes we need to become a modern society.

I don’t think it is that hard, you ask for a passport and HMRC do an NI check.

And it won’t pick up the cash economy who don’t declare.

Keir Starmer was openly using a very threatening tone when he stated that people won't work if they don't have digital IDs. He’s definitely earning his millions to come up with something so ridiculous.

Keir Starmer seems unable to stop illegal immigrants from entering the country, and it’s hard to imagine he could keep people unemployed solely due to the lack of a digital ID. This feels unlikely, especially when the country urgently needs workers and taxpayers to support politicians' salaries and fund state benefits for illegal immigrants.

The whole digital ID situation feels like politicians are raking in money from the companies backing it. Of course, the profits these foreign companies generate won't benefit the UK, and it seems like only the involved politicians will be pocketing millions.

We have plenty of documents to prove our identity, but without a way to verify their authenticity and accuracy, that's a whole other issue separate from digital IDs. It's hard to believe we lack proper mechanisms to confirm someone's true identity in this country. We're decades behind many other nations. Digital IDs won't help—if we can't handle technology and paper systems properly, there's no way we'll manage digital information any better.

Undocumented immigrants don’t have official papers and likely won’t possess digital IDs either. We don’t know who these individuals are, and even the countries they come from don't have records of their identities.

I'm very sure that illegal immigrants won't ever have to worry about digital IDs. Of course not. They'll roam free without a care in the world, singing lullabies in their native languages and thanking law-abiding citizens for being naive, as well as for funding their state benefits.

This is another angle where Keir has been an idiot. It will create more animosity towards asylum seekers.

I really struggling to think why people are so up in arms.

i don’t give an absolute monkeys about having a digital ID, yet some seem to think it’s the end of the world. Having read a lot of this thread, am still none the wiser; no ones presenting a coherent argument against it, just a load of speculative nonsense.

As I said earlier; it’s either

people are paranoid
or
they have something to hide and don’t want to be looked at

You lot do you; I’ll carry on worrying about actually important stuff.

Your posts haven’t put forward an argument for them.

So it looks like it’s just Starmer proposed something so it’s a yes.

Well my posts did but whoosh they went over your head as normal

No and nice try as normal.

I am on benefits and provided ID to be able to claim them. I have had reviews where I had my spending scrutinised and my ID also checked again.
If I don't get digital ID, will I be sanctioned and my money stopped? Keir said that the ID will be needed to access benefits.

Also, there was some biometric ID scheme in India that glitched and loads of people ended up with out food.

🤣😂🤣 What is this obsession with NHS people telling us they're NHS? What on earth has that got to do with digital ID? It's weird.

Also, calm down. I hope that you don't panic at work when something innovative comes in which brings about minor change as much as you have about this. It will be fine, many other countries have done this and the world did not end. Its just progress.

Totally agree op. It's being brought in under false pretence. This was not agreed in their manifesto. Millions have petitioned against it. I don't care if people call me tin foil hat I don't want or need a digital ID. Where is the money coming from to pay for it?? Who is going to make millions from it (Tony blairs son and doners). On the other hand this government couldn't run a piss up in a brewery so I doubt it will come into force before they are voted out.

The response to the petition was basically a stuck up finger and "we will do it anyway".

Well quite.

In a sarcastic twist, I must admit I conveniently forgot to mention earlier that I have no issues with a digital ID. I already own a pile of identity documents, so what’s one more? My personal data is practically public property anyway, free for anyone to access and use however they see fit. I’m thrilled to back Starmer and politicians everywhere as they rake in millions or even maybe billions from the companies supporting this plan. These poor, struggling individuals clearly need every penny—they have my deepest sympathy. But what if, on a whim, I decide I don’t want a digital ID? Will I be banned from working? That’s fine—fewer taxpayers for a nation desperate for them. I’ll just stay home and enjoy state benefits as a bonus. Oh, and will we be arrested? That’s my only real concern. I’ve heard prison accommodations, meals, and heating aren’t too shabby, and best of all, they’re free!

It’s weird. As a nurse I’d expect op to realise what a nightmare all the different nhs systems are and how much easier it would be to get holistic care if info was all in one place… plus the NHS app exists with loads of your data 🤷🏻‍♀️😆 at this point “they” have the data on us all.

By the way most trades are paid through the CIS so most are taxed at source and are actually owed money back from the tax man not the other way round. There will always be a few cash in hand cowboys but they are in the minority and digital id is not going to do anything to resolve that.